Passive Citizenship

Posted by coaldigger 4 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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I have always argued for maximum freedom for everyone and one of the basic differences between libertarians and objectivists that I had to do the most thinking on was the role of government. I am constantly reminded of how brilliant Ayn Rand was and as I have discovered her approach is the most rational. In order to have a modern society with maximum individual freedom, a government to protect their individual rights is absolutely critical. It remains to be seen if a government will ever be satisfied to stay within those guidelines but we, in America, came the closest to doing so.

I thought that Objectivism would take hold and preserve what we had begun but it has not. I understood that ultimately altruism would have to be eliminated in public policy and that it was born of and fed by religion but I thought that that could be eroded gradually and people would see that not only was the welfare state not necessary it was evil. I argued with some objectivist scholars that we needed to stop being so demanding of a purity of approach and gradually win them over and they said it would never work. After much struggle I came to the same conclusion and unfortunately there is zero chance of our winning the battle as long as they have producers that refuse to stop producing against all odds. In other words Atlas Shrugged is real. No individual or number of individuals with similar beliefs will form into a force large enough without a John Galt and he does not exist. We are INDIVIDUALS and as such will not form a tribe, a collective, a party or any kind of group. We are strong, rational, intellectual, ambitious, productive, energetic but we are loners, individuals and we meet every obstacle as a power of one. We will not join together and go on strike.

I have now concluded that there is a silver lining and that is that mankind is a collection of traits that we are born with in different proportions. Men of the mind will not die out. Their offspring will carry on the traits to be born over and over. When the inevitable dark ages return they will slowly return to lead a renaissance. The ancient Greeks had steam engines but the knowledge was lost until the 1800's. Sadly, in 3,000 years some Marconi might be broadcasting lyre music on vacuum tube transmitters.

I am too old to worry about it any longer. Collectivism is like the tide and you can't keep it from covering the beach by bailing with a bucket.


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  • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Have some more TACO BELL while you proclaim your virtue! I suppose you would downvote info of humanity starving they aren't BLM after all.
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  • Posted by $ Markus_Katabri 4 years, 3 months ago
    I suggest Harry Browne “How I found freedom in an unfree world.” In the end the individual has to act in their own best interest.
    Accept that without a rational society some things are just not “on the menu” anymore. It’s not your fault. Unless you want to go around cracking skulls until people see things “the right way”. That’s the route that a certain “idea” that dresses all in black is taking.
    Some here seem to advocate beating up the purple haired kid down the street because he held a BLM sign during the 4th of July parade. But that really doesn’t accomplish anything beyond feeding the fire.
    If we were to truly stop waiting for, or coercing, everyone else to “Go Galt” and just do it for ourselves the individual would see instant benefits. Who cares what happens to the greater world. Leave them to it. Time and sanity is what matters. Not this green fiat. And I think that’s going to become very apparent in the next decade.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nothing is perfect except the breath of air you suck into your lungs to keep you alive, even Objectivism is imperfect. The welcome you recieved certainly isn’t perfect, but you have the ability to argue your philosophy freely. Whom ever responded is not the voice of the Gab populace , it is just an individual. Gab is not Galt’s Gulch online.
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  • Posted by diessos 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I also signed up, introduced myself, and said I was interested in objectivism/Ayn Rand.... got this...

    "There are problems with objectivism. First it assumes a static universe, which isn’t true. The initial conditions are always in flux. That is especially true in human affairs as technology is rapidly changing. It is even a stretch to assume human nature is static as we continue to evolve.

    The second is that it assumes reality can be known. It can be approximated, but no amount of observation is sufficient to know it.

    Anyway, enough philosophizing. Welcome to Gab."

    What a great "welcome"....
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    One thing I have noticed about South Koreans is that they consistently underestimate their abilities, while most Americans think they are better at many skills than they in fact are.

    Have your granddaughter e-mail me at jbrenner@fit.edu.
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  • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So I went to Gab.com and signed up so I can look around and I see many of the people that went from Twitter to Parlor are there. I will need some time to see if it is a fit for me. I am leery of friends that are just as destructive as enemies.
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  • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Trump supporters are mostly people reached on an emotional level. At the core he is a statist and so are they just for a different state than the liberals. I do not see intellectual support for the Trump movement other than a few individualists wanting to use the Trump wing's muscle to bump the intellectual collectivists out of the way. In a war of ideas there are no loud voices for ours.
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  • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not sure that she knows what she wants. Part of her drive seems to be a lack of confidence. She says she is not good in math because she has to work for her grades but she only gets A+'s in advanced placement college level courses. She always says she is doing poorly in every class, again A+. Her GPA was some crazy number due to advanced placement points and the value of the +. She is sociable but doesn't have close friends or boyfriends like her diva sister. She does volunteer work at a nursing home and works as a barista at a espresso bar. She is very competitive and constantly challenges her grandpa in whatever I am doing. I am only willing to put so much effort in trying to keep her from beating me but she is relentless. We bought a stock market board game at a flea market and she plays like it is real money. I just hope the world opens back up and she can find her challenges and keep going on her path.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Extreme poverty, defined as living on less than $1.90 a day, is likely to affect between 9.1% and 9.4% of the world's population in 2020.
    While less than a tenth of the world’s population lives on less than $1.90 a day, close to a quarter of the world’s population lives below the $3.20 line and more than 40% of the world’s population – almost 3.3 billion people – live below the $5.50 line. Once again you spout out nonsense and feel good about yourself.

    Each day, 25,000 people, including more than 10,000 children, die from hunger and related causes.
    Some 854 million people worldwide are estimated to be undernourished, and high food prices may drive another 100 million into poverty and hunger. You and your ilk want to get them all vaccinated , virtue signal that while you binge on Taco Bell.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I like the idea of getting in the faces of the 'Left' but on the other hand, the longer we ignore them, the more worried they will get. That is human nature. People don't like to be ignored. I told my friend who was attacked verbally by one and it's making the old girl crazy that my friend just smiles at her and walks down the sidewalk. The other neighbors are ignoring her also.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 4 years, 3 months ago
    It remains to be seen if a government will ever be satisfied to stay within those guidelines
    I wonder if limited government is possible when people move to the frontier. They’re far enough away to make it difficult to be intrusive but near enough to allow trade. In science fiction, space is the next frontier, but sci-fi absurdly downplays the costs of getting to space. It would be easier and cheaper to build a colony floating on the water or even submerged under the water. So for right now, living on land is the only option.

    I argued with some objectivist scholars that we needed to stop being so demanding of a purity of approach and gradually win them over
    I think some people prefer the empty calories of self-righteousness to liberty.

    We are strong, rational, intellectual, ambitious, productive, energetic but we are loners, individuals and we meet every obstacle as a power of one.
    Do not underestimate the power of one! When I got into electronics in the 80s, the RF spectrum was regulated by the government with users licensed to use certain frequencies in certain areas. So a system in one area would only interfere with users in other areas when rare conditions allowed the signals to travel farther than normal. They opened the ISM bands to all users in the 90s, and shortly thereafter you have frequency hoppers coexisting with high-throughput OFDM Wi-Fi signals. The bands became packed with everything from home/office Wi-Fi networks to signals controlling municipal water pumps over several-mile links. They coexist by collection avoidance. They listen before transmitting and if a transmission doesn’t get through, they wait a random delay and try again. In any populated area, you can hook an antenna up to a spectrum analyzer and see those free-for-all bands being packed with users getting effective service and with no need to think about the fact that anyone can transmit on the band without a license.

    Something similar happened with Wikipedia, which is not perfect but is an amazing example of what many lone individuals can accomplish. We might be seeing it happen with blockchain, removing the ancient problem of needing central authorities for authentication.

    I do not think the world will go backward in technology and productivity. It’s gone up so much in my lifetime. When I was a kid I felt like there were hopelessly poor areas of the world that couldn’t get agriculture working and would never industrialize. They’re able to trade services over the Internet now, and world poverty decreased. There is a huge problem of socialism, which I think may be due to technology hiding exchanges of value. Many of these people who claim to support socialism have a strong understanding that individuals should be free to travel and keep what they produce, without regard to race, sex, or other physical traits. It wasn’t long ago when most people thought rights flowed naturally from God, to kings, and then to subjects whom the kings granted rights. So I am far from giving up. I am hoping that cryptocurrencies allow people to trade independently of central authorities and tools that run on cryptocurrency will lay bare the exchanges of value that currently happen when subscription services charge their customers’ cards. I don’t know that will happen. We are far from the demon-haunted, impoverished world of most of human history and also far from a utopia of liberty.
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  • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    http://Gab.com with me now, Andrew Torba. How are you, Andrew?

    Andrew Torba: I’m doing well, Peter. How are you?

    PB: Terrible, awful! We could do with a revolution. Or. more accurately, a counter-revolution.

    AT: Listen, I've been where you are right now. You will get through this. And you know, this is the reason that I started Gab back in 2016. I saw this stuff coming. I was living and working in Silicon Valley. I know these people very well. And I know what they're capable of. And I've seen it firsthand.

    Just this past week alone, Peter, we see what's happened to you guys. We ourselves were blacklisted by Visa for “hate speech.” Gavin McInnes was banned from YouTube. E. Michael Jones has his books censored by Amazon. Katie Hopkins is banned by Twitter. Carpe Donktum was banned by Twitter. And of course, the President himself had his tweets censored.

    So, my question is: where are our leaders? What are they doing? This is happening to U.S. citizens. This is happening to U.S. corporations. Where are our leaders? Why are they allowing this Tech Tyranny to happen?

    And you know what? What I've realized over the past four years is that no one is coming to save us. Right? No one is coming to save us. We must save ourselves. And I believe the way to save ourselves is by building. And that's exactly what we've been doing at Gab.

    We've built our own web browser. We've built our own hosting infrastructure. We've built our own payment processing infrastructure. Our own email infrastructure. You name it, we've been banned from it; and I've had to build it.

    But that has made us very resilient to attacks. And we don't really have many dependencies on Third Party providers. We're only dependent on ourselves.

    PB: For the benefit of the Boomers who are watching this, can you explain exactly what Gab is?

    AT: Gab is a free speech social network. We welcome all people and we have millions of users from around the world of all different creeds, beliefs, backgrounds, etc. And you can say what you want, as long as it is protected by the First Amendment of the United States of America.

    So you can't make threats of violence, you can't post illegal content like child pornography, common sense basic stuff, the way that the internet really has been for the past 20 or 30 years, this laissez faire kind of Wild West where the best ideas thrive.

    An actual debate of ideas versus this controlled atmosphere that is artificial and props up some ideas while silencing other ideas (which is what we're seeing happen on Big Tech right now). I mean, just this week—and not a lot of people are talking about this—Project Veritas and James O'Keefe: they have a Facebook content moderator on camera—multiple people from Facebook's content moderation team that are saying things like, “If someone's wearing a MAGA hat, I'm going to delete their content, or I'm going to suspend them for terrorism.”

    Right? So you know, these companies are loaded with far-Left lunatics who think that just wearing a MAGA makes you a terrorist. This is insanity
    Link for full interview https://vdare.com/articles/gab-s-torb...
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  • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Where are you anyways. On social media Gab and telegraph are many posts. They are calling people to be boycotting Amazon/Walmart/ and big tech/ bed bath and beyond. Bartering communities being organized plenty of discussions about Bitcoin , as well as a huge call to join school boards county commissions and city politics. Those type of posts have 20-25,000 likes.
    Plenty are rejecting masks and many videos of them standing up to the mask Nazis. Where are you getting your evidence? Twitter and Facebook exodus is also very frequently discussed.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But the left and the sheeple do not understand what that means to be rational...that is why I integrated Rands phrase with the function of the cells in the body. Of Course, the other problem is that they do no recognize their own bodies, they think (sar) the 1/2 of their brain can make their bodies what ever they can make up, moment by moment.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't see much evidence of Trump supporters being willing to do anything for their freedom except post online and go to a rally. But it's early . Once the Buy-dem SHTF the numbers willing to boycott all the enemy companies should increase. If it doesn't then boomers should be ashamed that they are not willing to fight for freedom.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Eau Gallie is between home and work for me. Brevard Engineering College is now Florida Tech. I am the only professor from Florida Tech on this site, to my knowledge, but Thoritsu and maybe CircuitGuy has ties down here. Thoritsu had a relative who was a professor here, as I recall.

    FAU is pretty big, too. I have several colleagues at Florida Gulf Coast in their biomedical engineering program. They are implementing some of the things there that I developed at Florida Tech (also called FIT). What does your grandchild want to do?
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I hope you are right, but I don't see much evidence of it. I watched 'The Social Dilemma' last night, and it described my children and their spouses pretty accurately. I fear their whole generation, and those that follow, will become the sheep of facebook/twitter/google/etc. I do not have a facebook or twitter account, and less interest than ever in getting one.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I also have problems with use of the term 'selfishness' due to negative connotations. I prefer the term 'rational self-interest'.
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  • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm fortunate to have married my high school sweetheart 58 years ago and we have 4 kids, otherwise I would worry.
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