Passive Citizenship

Posted by coaldigger 4 years, 3 months ago to Culture
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I have always argued for maximum freedom for everyone and one of the basic differences between libertarians and objectivists that I had to do the most thinking on was the role of government. I am constantly reminded of how brilliant Ayn Rand was and as I have discovered her approach is the most rational. In order to have a modern society with maximum individual freedom, a government to protect their individual rights is absolutely critical. It remains to be seen if a government will ever be satisfied to stay within those guidelines but we, in America, came the closest to doing so.

I thought that Objectivism would take hold and preserve what we had begun but it has not. I understood that ultimately altruism would have to be eliminated in public policy and that it was born of and fed by religion but I thought that that could be eroded gradually and people would see that not only was the welfare state not necessary it was evil. I argued with some objectivist scholars that we needed to stop being so demanding of a purity of approach and gradually win them over and they said it would never work. After much struggle I came to the same conclusion and unfortunately there is zero chance of our winning the battle as long as they have producers that refuse to stop producing against all odds. In other words Atlas Shrugged is real. No individual or number of individuals with similar beliefs will form into a force large enough without a John Galt and he does not exist. We are INDIVIDUALS and as such will not form a tribe, a collective, a party or any kind of group. We are strong, rational, intellectual, ambitious, productive, energetic but we are loners, individuals and we meet every obstacle as a power of one. We will not join together and go on strike.

I have now concluded that there is a silver lining and that is that mankind is a collection of traits that we are born with in different proportions. Men of the mind will not die out. Their offspring will carry on the traits to be born over and over. When the inevitable dark ages return they will slowly return to lead a renaissance. The ancient Greeks had steam engines but the knowledge was lost until the 1800's. Sadly, in 3,000 years some Marconi might be broadcasting lyre music on vacuum tube transmitters.

I am too old to worry about it any longer. Collectivism is like the tide and you can't keep it from covering the beach by bailing with a bucket.


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  • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for appreciating my crazy rantings. I will take the vaccine not because I believe in it but so I can travel. Our pattern has been a spring and a fall visit with our daughter in FL and a month in Italy each year and I am convinced I need vaccination papers. My immune system is pretty good since I have never been sick in 79 years and our family has a history of long life. Maybe it is a trap but I have to go.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My dad used to say the same stuff - haha. We lost him in August due to COVID. So Coaldigger - take everything except the vaccine collection offered via Medicare. That's what ultimately killed my dad as his immune system was in shambles. Cheers to you...And, I really appreciate your words shared on this thread.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 4 years, 3 months ago
    Limited Government that only protects the country and individual rights was the goal of our forefathers and yes, Rand championed that concept.
    Altruism on the other hand was always an individual choice and rationally could only be expressed once the individuals needs were satisfied.
    Ayn Rand used the phrase: Selfishness. I think this was a mistake to use a phrase that already projected an impression of something along the lines of hubris and greed.
    She should have used the concept of: Cellfishness while explaining the nature of cells and how that undeniably referrers to the behavior of the individual if able and allowed to.
    Each and every cell in the body of yourself is entirely responsible for the survival of self and once those conditions are met, excess value, (different for each individual) is passed on in the culture medium. In the body, that culture medium is the blood. In physical life that medium is the , family unit, the neighborhood, the community and so on.
    This my friend is what the teachings are all about as observed by, nature, Rand, our constitution and the teachings of Christ and some eastern philosophy's.
    The organizations of these teachings, religions and progressive governments use the concept of individual altruism to Control the individual instead of supporting that individual right given by our own nature.
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  • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In 1961, my roommate and I spent the summer working for a plumbing contractor in Eau Gallie. We lived in a coal town owned by US Steel that usually hired local engineering students in the summer but the economy was either down or there could have been a labor strike, anyway there were no jobs. He had an aunt that lived in Melbourne that told him to come down, stay with them until we found summer employment and enjoy the beaches. Her husband's first name was Sterling and he owned an advertising agency but was a strong supporter of Brevard Engineering College from its inception. We worked hard, got tanned, spent all our money on beer and things on the weekends and went back to school n the fall. I knew someone on this site was a professor at Fla Tech but I forgot who. This COVID mess could not have happened at a worse time for Grace as she just graduated Summa Cum Laude from North Fort Myers and with an Associates Degree. She looked at UF real hard but I think she was intimidated by the size of it and didn't want to leave the state so she was going to go to FAU. They, being so close to Miami seemed to be very restricted due to the virus so she was just staying at home and working. As things have loosened up somewhat she is now taking classes at Florida Gulf Coast. she seems to be in a better mood but this is not nearly an optimal path for her. Her parents are well of but her dad is a little old fashioned in his view of smart educated women (maybe from having to live with my daughter). I try not to give unsolicited advise but I am concerned by so much brainpower going undeveloped.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dear Coaldigger,
    No, I don't remember seeing that. I am a professor at Florida Tech, a private university where I am in charge of the nanotechnology minor, teach chemical, biomedical, and materials engineering, teach students how to make things, and have even started my own company. If you remember Quentin Daniels from Atlas Shrugged, that pretty much describes me. It is not a conflict of interest for me to talk about this in the Gulch, as that is precisely why I have the shopping cart next to the jbrenner. For more info, e-mail me at jbrenner@fit.edu.

    Florida Tech does accept Bright Futures scholarships like the public/government universities. The student gets the same money, but we aren't subsidized by the state.

    By the way, I used to be in many different aspects of the energy industry, including coal, but I shrugged from those when my clients who wanted to absolve their environmentalist guilt but provide me value-for-value exchange left to take the Solyndra freebies from then candidate Obama. Thus, my faculty position is my "shrug job", and my "cover" is sufficiently deep that no one at my university realizes that it is a "shrug job" except for those who belong here in the Gulch (and there are a few).
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  • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have decided to apply for every "free" thing I can get from them. I am 79 and not a producer so I will be a destroyer. I am thinking of solar panels, any thing Medicare will provide, and anything I can find to bankrupt these SOB's as soon as possible. In the meantime I will and can afford to reduce my income to reduce the amount that I pay in taxes. Instead of maximizing income I will minimize taxes and suck up benefits. That will be my war and I will not have to fire a shot.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 4 years, 3 months ago
    Well, the dark age is here now. You are right in that men of the mind will not go extinct. But, they'll need to lay low starting now. This is the period where many of us will do what the name of Atlas Shrugged was originally going to be..."The Strike". To some degree many of us Objectivsts will do it our own way...we're individualists. I'm quitting engineering this summer after a long, fascinating career. I'm doing equity analysis and portfolio design, which is a lot of fun, and will probably continue in that. All will be done with a big smile on my face...as will the golf and fishing. My engineering work has repeatedly pushed me into interactions with the upper echelons of government and had me perform duties that should be done by an attorney. I've grown to absolutely hate it. And I'm not taking the bullshit any longer. I've fallen prey to the pareto principal for too long. I also won't live in state with an income tax anymore. F*&k them. I just want to take care of family members, have fun and make money.
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  • Posted by JohnRandALL 4 years, 3 months ago
    Yes, very well said. Depressing, but true. Ayn Rand could not believe that all the movers and shakers would sell out to the evil. But they have. There are not enough Atlases to shrug, the weight is too great.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 years, 3 months ago
    The challenge that we face with regard to self-governance with a minimalist, but effective, government is that such a condition is thermodynamically unstable. To be stable, it has to be a minimum energy state. A self-governing system requires constant vigilance. President Reagan said that we are never more than one generation away from tyranny. ... Now we are far less than a generation away from tyranny.
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  • Posted by 4 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sitting on a filing cabinet behind me is a DYNA SCA-35 Stereo Amplifier that I built from a kit in 1965 that compares to the Denon in my theater but with fewer speakers. I didn't mean to dis on tubes but I often create simplistic metaphors to spice up my rants.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 4 years, 3 months ago
    Don't sell vacuum tubes short. Good tube amps sound better than solid state in many ways (and still work after an EMP.)
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  • Posted by $ BobCat 4 years, 3 months ago
    You put it very well, We are individuals and loners ...

    I might add: and as such we struggle to survive against a sea of lazy, mindless sheep.
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