What happened to Eddie Willers?

Posted by IamNemo 10 years, 7 months ago to Business
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Why wasn't Eddie Willers allowed into the Galt Utopia? Was it because was too much of an underling and not enough of a leader?


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My final reading showed him representing the fate of mankind who beat their heads against a wall saying 'we tried so hard. Then dying.' It's like the old story of the floods and the guy on his roof. turned down a ride in a row boat, a power boat and a helicopter. each time saying the Lord will provide. As he drowned he sez presumable in prayer 'Why hast thou foresaken me?" The Lord answers, "What do you mean i sent two boats and a helicopter?"
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In the desert and they found out from a passing wagon train there were no bridges across the Mississippi. Tried to start the train but had he done so had no where to go. The rabbit was a symbol of what he saw himself become. Although it could of been worse. He could have become a moocher.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
    He chose not to go. Tried to restart the train ' in the name of the best of us' and went crazy presumably having to finally admit defeat. One track mind. There are times you must abandon the effort in pursue of some thing better not the least of which is yourself.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 10 years, 5 months ago
    Take a look at page 63 in the novel (assuming the printed copies share the same page numbers). That should give you an idea of why he ended up where he did.
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    Posted by Matcha 10 years, 7 months ago
    Eddie was on the train that broke down in the tunnel. Didn't you read the book.
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  • Posted by Solver 10 years, 7 months ago
    Eddie is like one of the faithful that stubbornly remained in Pets dot com stock til the end.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    heh. I don't regard her as much of an alpha female.
    Lillian was more like an alpha female.
    Dagny was more like an alpha male.


    But, she wasn't only seduced by the alpha male. Just by whatever male happened to be handy who SEEMED most alpha at the time. Whenever a more alpha came along, eh, screw you, I never loved you, I just enjoyed you til something better came along.

    We have a word for people, especially women, who sell themselves to the highest bidder, regardless of the coin offered.
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  • Posted by jmassman 10 years, 7 months ago
    These are all excellent contributions & energizing food for thought for us all. JM
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The big difference was level of ability. That was depicted throughout the novel, beginning with the childhood flashbacks.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    H, when I visited a shrink, years ago on the occasion
    of two dead parents and a dead marriage, I claimed
    that we are driven by 2, rather than 3, primary "forces" --
    the physical and the mental, with the emotional a
    part of the mental force. she vehemently disagreed,
    of course.

    I believe that Dagny's matched Eddie's humanity
    quite well, but theirs was a difference of insight --
    like the difference between the author and the
    reader of poetry. and the fact that she could only
    be seduced by the alpha male simply shows that
    she knew that she was the alpha female. insight. -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe that you have this nailed, Snoogoo. Eddie
    is a hero of a sort who represents many, many of us
    who keep on working regardless. the millions who
    consider their "contract with life" to include devotion
    to productive behavior, even in the face of determined
    adversaries. Thank You! -- j

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I tried finding her version on youtube but couldn't. I got another, ghastly rendition from someone else.
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 10 years, 7 months ago
    I am referring only to the book and am giving no spoiler to the movie.

    Eddie Willers did not go to the Gulch because he *chose* not to go.

    Galt was actively recruiting Dagney's best men away from her, such as Owen Kellogg.

    Galt was meeting Willers occasionally for lunch not just to get information on Dagney but to recruit him.

    It was Willers who insisted to Galt that he was not the type of man who could make his own way.

    Willers didn't go to the Gulch because he didn't step up and seize the opportunity.

    Willers' loss was all on him.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is a difference between loyalty and bushido. The philosophy that you un-think the repercussions of a directive 'just because it is commanded by a superior' is untenable in the Western military (though it was acceptable in the Japanese martial tradition). It is also one of the problems in our modern society in general - eg a policeman following orders he is pretty sure are not legal/moral...but his superior directed him to do so.

    People manipulate others by their emotions to produce a result that they could not get by reason. Whenever you make an emotional decision, you need to vet whether it is your own decision or someone else 'pulling the strings'. I do not see Objectivism as unemotional, but I do see it as not non-thinking-emotional.

    Song of the Red War Boat. One of my favorites - I memorized it at one time (don't think I can recall all the words right now). I would sometimes declaim it to the sagebrush when I was out riding. Have you heard Leslie Fish's song version? She has a whole set of "KipleFish" songs.

    Jan
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  • Posted by hanilson 10 years, 7 months ago
    I think the opinions here are pretty spot on. Eddie represents the average man and the uncertainty of Eddie's fate is the big question of the book: what happens in the world absent the great creators? Essentially these characters are left in limbo, which is the best they can hope for in a world without the creators.
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    Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He was capable of loving someone or something more than himself. The ultimate sin, in the Objectivist religion (goodlife sect).
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    Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hm...

    In order to separate mere Objectivists from fanatical Objectivists, I'm going to borrow a term from Fred Saberhagen.

    The fanatical Objectivists, such as yourself, I will in future refer to as "goodlife". (conservatives will remain "badlife" for clarity).

    "But I have touched a few rare human minds, the jewels of life, who rise to meet the greatest challenges by becoming supremely men. "
    - 3rd Historian... "Stone Place"

    "I touched a mind whose soul was dead . . . "
    3rd Historian - "Patron of the Arts"

    "Men always project their beliefs and their emotions into their vision of the world. Machines can be made to see in a wider spectrum, to detect every wavelength precisely as it is, undistorted by love or hate or awe.

    But still men's eyes see more than lenses do. "
    -3rd Historian "The Face of the Deep"

    "But I have touched a few rare human minds, the jewels of life, who rise to meet the greatest challenges by becoming supremely men. "
    -3rd Historian "Stone Place"

    I reasoned this out a long time ago, and forgot until now that I done so. It is reason that makes us able to survive; it is emotion that gives us reason to survive. The most powerful computer in the world, networked to a billion like itself, will have no reason to exist for itself, no, to use Ayn Rand's final word from "Anthem"... no EGO. Only our primitive, emotion-driven hindbrain gives us that. Without emotion to drive our lives, we're just lumps of goo, sitting around waiting to die.
    When you read or watch about the great men and women of history... the word "driven" repeatedly shows up. "Driven" is not a rational, reasoned response to the world; it is an emotional one. Without that *emotional* drive, all the reason in the world won't create an iPhone.
    Dagny Taggart suffered from the same loyalty as Eddie. She just wasn't quite as human as he. As evidenced by her eternal quest for the most alpha male.

    Go worship at the altar of the machines, goodlife.


    (I wonder how many Objectivists suffer from Asperger's?)
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Eddie is YOU. His fate is yours, the reader's. Eddie survives, or not, through his own abilities--YOUR abilities.

    I either read something Rand wrote about that, or heard her say it, years ago.

    Rand used a similar device in Night of January 16th, where the choice of two endings is not the author's.
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