David Stockman on The Ukrainian Border War Folly (Including a detailed history of the area now called Ukraine)
Posted by freedomforall 10 months, 1 week ago to Politics
Excerpt:
"Someone should tell the European ruling elites to take a long jump off a short pier. Their endless whining about the Ruuskies and Putin is just plain pathetic because—
- It’s not justified—Russia bears no hallmarks of an expansionist imperial power.
- The Russia-Ukraine conflict is none of western Europe’s business—since its essentially a territorial and civil war within the borders of historic Russia.
- If EU officialdom is really concerned about the purported Russian threat why do they spend just a pittance of their GDP on defense?
Yet, here we have Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, former German defense minister and full-throated war-hawk, talking absolute nonsense:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin wants to see empires and autocracies back in Europe, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen told the European Economic Congress in Katowice.
Speaking alongside Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, von der Leyen insisted that she stands for a European Union that is ready to do whatever it takes to protect Europe, and especially Ukraine.
“Putin’s war is about redrawing the map of Europe, but it is also a war on our Union and on the entire global rules-based system,” she said.”
Well, that’s rubbish if there ever was such. The only time the borders of Ukraine have been redrawn at the barrel of a gun is when Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev did it between 1922 and 1954. That’s right, this bureaucratic half-wit wants to embroil the world in WWIII in order to enforce borders drawn by a trio if history’s most blood-thirsty tyrants.
As explained below, there never was a country even remotely resembling modern Ukraine until the Soviet communists decreed its existence. "
"Someone should tell the European ruling elites to take a long jump off a short pier. Their endless whining about the Ruuskies and Putin is just plain pathetic because—
- It’s not justified—Russia bears no hallmarks of an expansionist imperial power.
- The Russia-Ukraine conflict is none of western Europe’s business—since its essentially a territorial and civil war within the borders of historic Russia.
- If EU officialdom is really concerned about the purported Russian threat why do they spend just a pittance of their GDP on defense?
Yet, here we have Ursula von der Leyen, president of the European Commission, former German defense minister and full-throated war-hawk, talking absolute nonsense:
“Russian President Vladimir Putin wants to see empires and autocracies back in Europe, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen told the European Economic Congress in Katowice.
Speaking alongside Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk, von der Leyen insisted that she stands for a European Union that is ready to do whatever it takes to protect Europe, and especially Ukraine.
“Putin’s war is about redrawing the map of Europe, but it is also a war on our Union and on the entire global rules-based system,” she said.”
Well, that’s rubbish if there ever was such. The only time the borders of Ukraine have been redrawn at the barrel of a gun is when Lenin, Stalin and Khrushchev did it between 1922 and 1954. That’s right, this bureaucratic half-wit wants to embroil the world in WWIII in order to enforce borders drawn by a trio if history’s most blood-thirsty tyrants.
As explained below, there never was a country even remotely resembling modern Ukraine until the Soviet communists decreed its existence. "
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Really!? The map game to declare a country non-existent? It seems we see a lot of that used to declare Israel an artificial nation as well. By that standard, most European countries should be declared non-existent, since most were cobbled together out of numerous mini-kingdoms, baronetcies, and principalities. Oh, and how about the US? Our country didn't exist until a bunch of rebel swine (by the Crown's view) committed treason. Give me a break!
China and North Korea are carefully watching the Russian adventure, and if the western nations fold their hand and let Russia take whatever they want, rest assured Taiwan and South Korea will be next places where we have to decide if we abandon any responsibility.
Isolationism sounds attractive, but if we abandon our role as the world policeman, be prepared for a long, bitter haul trying to reindustrialize at the same time we try to hold off a flood of refugees that will make our current open border crisis look trivial.
The current Ukraine scenario is as if in 1938 Czechoslovakia decided to resist German occupation instead of caving in to appeasement. If that had happened, and with the support of other European nations and the US to stop Hitler, we might have avoided another world war. Ignoring a problem doesn't solve it.
Shortly thereafter I read that several Ukrainian high government officials bought real estate in Switzerland.
That told me all I needed know about throwing good mega millions after a fortune of bad money in Ukraine.
Not to mention Democrats fawning all over Zelenskyy as if he were Elvis risen from the grave whenever he visits Washington D.C.
how this happened matters
or else you cannot pre vent it again
there will always be people that believe their strength allows them to take from others
or they use others (0bama, biden, deep state)
NATO, 0bama, biden pushed it
A: Sociopaths rise to power and always want more.
Most people just want to be left alone to raise their families in peace
and reigning in the power-mad 'leaders' and their brainwashing media
isn't what people are inclined to do. Every government is guilty.
The brainwashing to "trust your leaders" must be reversed.
Stalin purposely staved millions to death.
The US and NATO are as much at fault as Putin for Ukraine deaths now.
The war could have ended a few months after it started but
NATO and the US wanted the war to continue, and they still do.
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/...
who started this war??
the one firing the first shot is not always the one that started it
0bama and biden pushed and pushed and pushed until finally a war started
Putin clearly said he would not allow Russia to be surrounded by NATO. and why is there still a NATO? there is no Soviet Union and no Warsaw Pact
France and England both have nuclear weapons, they no longer need to depend on the US. Germany and Poland 296 and 664 modern tanks respectively.
Putin is not going anywhere, his reason for the Ukraine invasion were clear, the US started it, 0bama started it
Where is the evidence that Putin is doing it?
There is a set of maps that Stockman should have included- maps showing the boundaries of NATO from when it was founded in the 1940s to today. NATO did not stop expanding even when the Soviet Union collapsed.
Isn't turning one's eyes away from sadistic depraved dictators atrocities against their own citizens what, eventually, gets us dragged into foreign wars?
biden the usurper is hiding his corruption and working with the corruption in ukraine.
were is the accounting????