Back. Dis a little searching. I believe this is the dude who sent me a couple of emails and led my tiny dino brain astray.

http://www.mynameisfoxtrot.com/journal/2...

Why is the ATF involved in a State Case?

The whole agency needs to be abolished.

That is circumstantial evidence - far from what is needed to prove "beyond a shadow of a doubt" as is needed in a federal case. Unless the firearm is used in the commission of a crime and you can do a ballistics match and have a really solid chain of custody, there's no case.

Possession of non-serialized parts or even a complete firearm isn't a crime. The only thing you might possible go for is a trafficking violation, but for that you would have to literally have caught both parties IN THE ACT, as well as having proof of original ownership, a receipt, etc. I'd hate to be the prosecuting attorney trying to get all that to hold up in front of a jury.

You'd also be constrained by that particular state's laws about the transfer of firearms. There are several states around where I live where you don't have to even know the other party or keep a receipt to sell a gun you own to someone else.

my sentiments exactly, its not for criminals, and the typical law-abiding type doesn't have anything to worry about with it, and I'm sure if they wanted to know who bought the ghost guns, a subpoena of the shipping records from the seller would suffice to figure it out...

I would hazard a guess and say that those who are building their own don't really trust the government in the first place or those who believe in the Second Amendment as written: "shall not be infringed".

It's obviously not criminals who are interested - they can get one of the "walking" guns from Eric Holder.

not much, as it would be serious felony to sell it ever... I guess you could use a registered receiver to put the pieces & parts on to sell or trade if desired.

I don't doubt it. The real question is how much the LACK of a serial number is worth...

Mark Levin calls this bunch and their government, "Soft Tyranny". When Muslim terrorists occupy a place, they have a way of beating a modern day building or community back to the stone age. The soft guys seem to want the same thing for us, while preserving the niceties for the ruling class.

Apparently they haven't seen the movie in which the ruling class cannot get it's flush toilets, air conditioners, or automobiles fixed.

Yep, I jumped to a conclusion based on email ads.
My son said on the phone there are several serial numbers on parts of that weapon. So bwahaha my bad,
I'll have to check out that video later. Time has ticked down to somewhere I have to go to in my motorized vehicle.

There is a very unique 'crack' to the sound of the Russian-designed ball-shaped gunpowder. US and NATO-designs have cylindrical shaped gun powder particles and kind of 'sequence' burn when ignited. The Russian stuff is more of a sudden explosion. It's a very unique sound, the design of the Ak/SKS rounds are very similar to the Mosin, the Mosin is just quite a bit more powerful (7.62 x 39mm versus 7.62 x 54mm). Fun guns to shoot for sure. My Yugoslav SKS is a hoot as well.

Requires quite a bit of mill work... My labor rate per hour is a little more than saving $10...

Thanks for the notes. Never had the chance to fire the Mosin. Now I'm curious.

Yeah. My comment wasn't an endorsement of that particular vendor. It was just meant as an example of what is available if one is interested. Whether one has the requisite experience to finish the job is another question entirely. ;)

Interesting, although appears to be a little more difficult to integrate (from buyer comments) into a finished weapon (and there is the why? question). About the same price as a completed lower receiver but a little more work. Their upper receivers are pretty stripped and double the going-rate elsewhere.

http://www.centuryarms.biz/proddetail.as...

There's a good show on youtube on the topic, was produced by CNBC a year or two ago - America's Gun: Rise of the AR-15.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCvjoFPD5...

Only if you purchase a completed receiver. There are many shops willing to sell you the unfinished receiver - sans serial number.

http://aresarmor.com/store/Category/hmga...

Although you can download plans for an AR-15 lower receiver from Distributed Engineering and build it with a 3D printer, the use of the polymer though pretty much limits it to about 100 or so rounds before it is destroyed, but that is the only "non-registered" method (and not a permanent option). Pretty much the entire AR-15 can actually be printed, except the pin, spring & barrel for temporary use. Scary as that is in terms of terrorism, and the pin, spring & barrel are not tracked. You can probably print the spring too, and maybe even the barrel, just not sure that would actually function. Maybe for one shot or something.

Not true. Their presence just makes the penalties bigger. Ignorance of the law isn't a defense I'd try in any courtroom.

The lower receiver is a rather innocuous part, it's only the housing that the clip inserts into, the pin, the stock screws on, etc. and upper receiver attaches to. You can certainly order them online, but has to be delivered to a federally licensed FFL dealer. The buyer has to pick it up there and there is normally a transfer fee involved of $20 - $50 charged by the FFL. That's federal/ATF regulation and affects any firearm in the US... its not state level, although individual states may also have the waiting period for a firearm and would affect the lower receiver if applicable for the state, or the receiver would be registered for any state gun registration system or whatever. That registration serves for whatever firearm it turns into.

The rest of the parts - barrel, bolt, stock, etc., are not tracked and can just be shipped to the buyer's home, as all would require the receiver to be functional.

It may seem "aimed" toward the AR-15, but actually isn't, all surplus military firearms have their serial number stamped primarily on the receiver and may also have additional numbers on the breach, stock, and other places... M1's, Mausers, K-31's, AK's, etc. It's actually not a new practice, more or less always been like that (I'm a military weapons collector and have a C&R FFL). I have around 50 collectibles ranging from early cowboy lever actions to Swiss K-31s, HKs, SKS, AK-47, AK-74, M1, Mosin Nagant sniper, etc. WWII is my specialty and interest, but I have a few AR-15s as well that I built. I have quite a bit of armorer tools and have & maintain all of mine in completely fire-ready condition. My favorite is probably the Mosin-Nagant (7.62x54mm) - sounds like an AK but has much of the slugging power of a .50 caliber and a 2000 meter range, I can fire that thing through a cinder brick wall and still hit a target with lethal force behind it. The AR-15 .223 round is rather pathetic in comparison. The AR can be an accurate firearm, just not a particular amount of take-down power. Relies on the bullet to tumble & break apart to tear up the inside of a person to be lethal. The WWII high-caliber firearms like the Mosiin and the M1 (30-06) were designed to completely penetrate and pass through the target and "take them out" without necessarily killing them. The intention was to take them out of the fight. In a way, the AR-15 is very inhumane, if I had my druthers in terms of interest of society, I'd ban the .223 round itself and only allow them in .308 caliber (which is also readily available albeit a bit more expensive).

excuse me, Ron -- it would almost only be the wealth
which they can *steal* here. -- j

I've been reading ads in my conservative email that you could mail order AR-15 parts and put together a rifle without a serial number. So maybe I jumped to a conclusion. Especially when one thing I've learned is not to trust even self-professed conservative email when someone is trying to sell something.
Oh, I know! I'll ask my son about that serial number. Get back with you.

this reminds me of the recent tennessee crap about
having to have a permit to leave your house with a
gun. . for open carry in public. . it's all about control --
so much control that our freedoms are withering! -- j

The interesting fact here is that neither the FFL dealer nor the police officer selling his used firearm were considered to be at fault... the ATF assumed Grant must have been a guilty party for not bothering to look up to see if it was legal to purchase on an arbitrary California-approved firearms list. In any other industry, the paid professionals (such as the FFL Dealer) would have certainly been the guilty party for transferring or selling the product.

Difficult concepts to prove. Especially if you are in the position of "having to prove yourself innocent" or the like. Or if someone is willing to make a false report or otherwise lie.

Not the same topic as the book I mentioned, but anyone who has ever been accused of "domestic abuse" can probably identify. All that is required for guilt is possession of a Y chromosome.

Fortunately malice & intent are generally required to be a crime.