Atlantis must be free
Posted by upston 10 years, 5 months ago to Philosophy
Atlantis must be free or why bother.
Many of us chafe at the ever increasing grip Governments exert on their citizens
here in the US and around the world. The list ranges from the trivial like your toilet flush capacity or type of light bulb to the serious matters of choosing a doctor or school for the next generation. The list gets longer every day.
So if Atlantis is to offer any real relief it’s inhabitants must enjoy all the freedoms we have let slip away. “ In the public interest” they tell us. I see many forum comments on this subject each with a different spin on a new society but at the root of it all is the need to manifest a new destiny without big brothers help, for better or worse.
Al Gore, our oafish and misguided VP was wrong about almost everything in his statist outlook. , Global warming, from which he made millions in carbon credits to his demagogic attacks on the rich over tax cuts,” a risky tax scheme” a mantra he repeated again and again. But even a wooden headed puppet occasionally gets it right. “Controlling Legal Authority” his defense for illegally fund raising from the White House was a wonderful descriptive phrase and without it Atlantis has no future.
The answer for many like the Seasteaders is to drift about in international waters free from interference and the heavy hand of government , not so according to their own consultants. At the Seasteading conference several years back a world class team addressed this matter and the news was grim. The experts pointed out that if anchored in a fixed location the justriction fell to the country controlling that chunk of sea floor or a treaty authority like the UN. If our new city was floating free it had to be a registered flag vessel of an existing nation and then comply with all the maritime regulations as would any other vessel.
The experts had a litany of issues that were well established international law insisting that just hanging out and hoping for autonomy was at best naive at worst foolish. Many at the conference expressed outrage and anger at this revelation , perhaps with moral justification but zero legal standing. So even if all the engineering issues could be overcome the bottom line is no Controlling Legal Authority.
After a fit of rebellion I trashed all the dersin concepts that in many ways resolved the high cost ,safety and expansion issues of a floating city and changed course, focusing instead on a firm legal foundation first and foremost. Whatever the plan it must have a proven track record and be able to survive the litigious challenges that would inevitably come at the first glimmer of the successful execution of Atlantis. by big brother and his acolytes.
The Happiest place on earth is the prototype my friends, yes Uncle Walt built the first theme park in Anaheim CA to the cat calls of the mob, it will never work they said as always but millions came and Disney Land quickly became a victim of it’s own success. Hotels and strip centers encircled the park like a strangler fig and the city of Anaheim turned from an ally to the enemy of the Disney company blocking it’s need for autonomy and expansion
Disney World just south of Orlando on the other hand vested Walt with all the power he needed to have Controlling Legal Authority over 27,000 acres of Florida swamp land.
The City of Lake Buena Vista was established by the State of Florida in the 60s giving it’s only resident , The Disney company, all the rights and responsibilities of a full blown city, construction permits, zoning, utilities, security, transportation, you name it Walt was in full control of his destiny and still,is today.
How did Disney get this authority from the state and how do corporatists do it today ie Tesla's battery factory was just awarded billions to build it’s deadly polluting lithium ion batteries in Nevada, it works every time it’s tried, that old libertarian concept, COMPETITION
In part 2 I will explain all the details of where how and when a new Atlantis is easily within our grasp if as Dr Strangelove said we have the “Will to do so”
Many of us chafe at the ever increasing grip Governments exert on their citizens
here in the US and around the world. The list ranges from the trivial like your toilet flush capacity or type of light bulb to the serious matters of choosing a doctor or school for the next generation. The list gets longer every day.
So if Atlantis is to offer any real relief it’s inhabitants must enjoy all the freedoms we have let slip away. “ In the public interest” they tell us. I see many forum comments on this subject each with a different spin on a new society but at the root of it all is the need to manifest a new destiny without big brothers help, for better or worse.
Al Gore, our oafish and misguided VP was wrong about almost everything in his statist outlook. , Global warming, from which he made millions in carbon credits to his demagogic attacks on the rich over tax cuts,” a risky tax scheme” a mantra he repeated again and again. But even a wooden headed puppet occasionally gets it right. “Controlling Legal Authority” his defense for illegally fund raising from the White House was a wonderful descriptive phrase and without it Atlantis has no future.
The answer for many like the Seasteaders is to drift about in international waters free from interference and the heavy hand of government , not so according to their own consultants. At the Seasteading conference several years back a world class team addressed this matter and the news was grim. The experts pointed out that if anchored in a fixed location the justriction fell to the country controlling that chunk of sea floor or a treaty authority like the UN. If our new city was floating free it had to be a registered flag vessel of an existing nation and then comply with all the maritime regulations as would any other vessel.
The experts had a litany of issues that were well established international law insisting that just hanging out and hoping for autonomy was at best naive at worst foolish. Many at the conference expressed outrage and anger at this revelation , perhaps with moral justification but zero legal standing. So even if all the engineering issues could be overcome the bottom line is no Controlling Legal Authority.
After a fit of rebellion I trashed all the dersin concepts that in many ways resolved the high cost ,safety and expansion issues of a floating city and changed course, focusing instead on a firm legal foundation first and foremost. Whatever the plan it must have a proven track record and be able to survive the litigious challenges that would inevitably come at the first glimmer of the successful execution of Atlantis. by big brother and his acolytes.
The Happiest place on earth is the prototype my friends, yes Uncle Walt built the first theme park in Anaheim CA to the cat calls of the mob, it will never work they said as always but millions came and Disney Land quickly became a victim of it’s own success. Hotels and strip centers encircled the park like a strangler fig and the city of Anaheim turned from an ally to the enemy of the Disney company blocking it’s need for autonomy and expansion
Disney World just south of Orlando on the other hand vested Walt with all the power he needed to have Controlling Legal Authority over 27,000 acres of Florida swamp land.
The City of Lake Buena Vista was established by the State of Florida in the 60s giving it’s only resident , The Disney company, all the rights and responsibilities of a full blown city, construction permits, zoning, utilities, security, transportation, you name it Walt was in full control of his destiny and still,is today.
How did Disney get this authority from the state and how do corporatists do it today ie Tesla's battery factory was just awarded billions to build it’s deadly polluting lithium ion batteries in Nevada, it works every time it’s tried, that old libertarian concept, COMPETITION
In part 2 I will explain all the details of where how and when a new Atlantis is easily within our grasp if as Dr Strangelove said we have the “Will to do so”
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This means that while AS is a good crucible in which the values of production vs parasitism is explored, it is not a model that can be used as a template in the 21st century. For example: there is nowhere on earth that a group of people cannot be observed, brought within legal bounds of some country (or UN jurisdiction) or other, and have military power brought to bear on them.
If Atlantis were successful, but not politically significant, then it would be the prey of pirates. If it became a significant power, then existing governments would vie for control of it. There is a very low bar to 'too unimportant to bother with' in the US (and in other countries as well) and that goal if obscurity is even harder to attain when you add 'and the community is composed of high-tech producers of value items'. Yes, a few hundred people in a pastoral Peruvian community can be 'under the radar'. What do you think would happen if there were 500,000 people in that community? What would happen if those people began thriving industries that resulted in new and profitable inventions? How would the next socialist Peruvian government respond to that?
I have read many plans for Atlantis, and none of them seem to me to be plausible. (What I am tending towards is a 'jump rope' opportunistic path...but that is still an early hypothesis.)
Jan
We are talking, by the way, about allodial title. You'd have to go to war to win that.
This is real to me as I see no happy ending given out current track, I hope I am wrong but hope is not a plan.
You are correct that the US states offer no relief. the federal government is the problem and no state can resist it.ore protect us from it.
The UN is a big part of the problem as well but my plan will let us hide in plain site .with total control of our own future.
I am confused what this has to do with Competition. If you mean between states, then I doubt is will work, because the UN will be against allowing this sort of experiment.