WTH?! Without consent?

Posted by lrbeggs 10 years, 2 months ago to News
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Earlier, during a break, Bracamontes repeatedly told his lawyers he wanted to plead guilty.

"You don't have the right to plead guilty without our consent," Assistant Public Defender Jeffrey Barbour told him quietly while the judge waited. They later blamed his outbursts on anxiety.

I didn't read any further. My brain was boiling.


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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This guy is a member of the BRIC gang:
    Barrack's
    Repetitive
    Immigration
    Club

    ...soon to come to your neighborhood.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 2 months ago
    Job security for lawyers is at stake here!

    BTW, those would be the lawyers that helped destroy the health care system.
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  • Posted by Timelord 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And more recently to ensure conviction and punishment through official corruption regardless of actual innocence or guilt >:(

    That's not a comment on this case, just in general.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I couldn't agree more. However, I would use the Herbie Method of execution. Being the judge, I would sentence him to have a piece of him cut off every day, until the amount of cuts equaled the number of people he killed. Too barbaric? Talk to the families and loved ones of those he killed and then come back and we'll talk.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 2 months ago
    I wonder how many years this confessed cop killer will wait in Death Row waiting to be executed.
    As long as you're careful and follow procedure, Death Row is the easiest post for an officer to work inside a state prison. Been there, done that.
    For some reason--wonder what that could be?--almost all Death Row inmates do not want to rock the boat at all.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good point, but given data bases and any prior arrest records this can be sorted out in a plea deal. Lots to figure out in the process, ie drugs, etc, but guilt is guilt. Being told you have to have permission to confess is absurd. If he was in Mexico he would have been shot by now.
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  • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 2 months ago
    There should disciplinary action taken. The public defender lied and violated his rights. They are both guilty.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 10 years, 2 months ago
    Yes, anything without consent breaches every sense of morality and human sovereignty.

    So it's not merely this instance, but it is all governments. I did not consent to be ruled by this or any government, nor to allow any government to void my Right to Life, Liberty, Property and/or the Happiness of Prosperity.

    Who can name any human living today who gave any such consent to be Ruled... by any other Human?
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  • Posted by wiggys2 10 years, 2 months ago
    i believe the killer has brain damage, however his attorneys do not have brains to begin with.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Reason Magazine founder Lanny Friedlander (a Libertarian-style fan of Ayn Rand and of Robert Heinlein) told me, about 1971, that he had written to Bob for clarification of his views on political philosophy. Lanny received, he said, a brief letter from Bob's wife Virginia that said Bob did not wish to discuss political philosophy, and that he had nothing more to say on the subject than was contained in his novels.

    Rand was similarly circumspect, indeed even more so, about granting permission to use her name or words for some purpose.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 2 months ago
    That was big news here when that guy went on his rampage. He got all the way up to Auburn (just about an hour drive) before they got him. The town was quite on-edge.
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  • Posted by barwick11 10 years, 2 months ago
    In the (highly unlikely in this case, but possible in others) event that he actually is innocent, it's the justice system's job to find out.

    For example, if he's part of an organized crime group and was threatened with the life of his family if he doesn't take the fall.
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  • Posted by GordonMuth 10 years, 2 months ago
    The public defender probably didn't want his meal ticket to cut the trial short by pleading guilty.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 10 years, 2 months ago
    Quote from Sixth Column by Robert A. Heinlein, probably my second favorite author:
    "The whole purpose of the complicated structure of western jurisprudence in criminal matters, as built up over the centuries, has been to keep the innocent from being convicted and punished through error. It sometimes lets the guilty go free in the process, but that's not the purpose......his guilt has been established with much more certainty than a court could possibly establish it.......and I don't propose to extend to him the protections that were devised to protect the innocent."
    Stop playing legal games and execute the bastard.
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