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  • Posted by tragicview 10 years, 2 months ago
    Anyone can choose to lie, and Obama is a patent pathological liar who freely lies to justify his ends. However, Rand put lying this way: "People think that a liar gains a victory over his victim. But what I've learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication because one surrenders one's reality to the person to whom one lies, making that person one's master, condemning oneself to faking reality." -Henry Rearden.

    Hence a true Gulch resident, as an Objectivist, cannot support a habitual liar like Obama who fakes reality in nearly every waking moment.
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  • Posted by dougthorburn 10 years, 2 months ago
    Yes. After all, if it weren't for O'Bumbo we wouldn't have Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio and a host of other libertarian-leaning politicians. Nor would countless a-political Americans have become acquainted with libertarian ideas over the last six years. Now, we have a chance at redemption.
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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good point, and based on that the answer is no, assuming you had to take that oath to be a resident. Then is it a temporary resident or permanent resident?

    Perhaps then the question Dennis55 should have asked would be, "Can a Visitor to the Gulch be a supporter of Obama?"
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yes and the consensus as far as I know was a resounding NO. he is a bump on a log. so a tree trunk must now be the see in from of the desk used by the president.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Would a resident supporting Obama be able to honestly take the oath? Dagny couldn't quite let go of her business yet.. she hadn't shrugged so she could no longer be there. Staying in the Gulch for her would have been a contradiction. A resident of the Gulch supporting Obama would be living a lie. If not, then what good is the principle? I think the comparison to Israel is false. Israel is a nation governed by laws. There is no rule or principle that states you must be Jewish to live there, but it still remains a nation with borders, a military, etc. Excluding people by ethnicity or religion is completely arbitrary. However, the Gulch has a guiding principle to which all residents must recognize and live by. If they don't then you no longer have a Gulch so what is the point?
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 2 months ago
    No.
    Not if a person calling themselves an Objectivist truly understands the meaning of the word and all it implies.
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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not really, since the previous topic used the word "Dedicated Member" in the question. This question implied simply a resident, not a Dedicated member of the Gulch.

    Much like a question does a person have to be Jewish to live in Jerusalem or Israel?

    Phraseology is very important.
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  • Posted by peterchunt 10 years, 2 months ago
    A Gulch resident might, but a believer in the philosophy espoused by Gulch residents, the answer is No, No and I repeat NO.
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  • Posted by woodlema 10 years, 2 months ago
    YES!!!
    Resident:
    1a : living in a place for some length of time :
    Here is why.

    A person who becomes a resident of the Gulch may very well indeed support Obama, and left wing liberal ideas. If they are really a person who is interested in "REASON" then that support will fade very quickly.

    Ayn Rand also was a supporter of people to be entitled to their own personal views. The real caveat in this is that a person who supports Obama AND is a resident of the Gulch would NEVER get a handout an entitlement, and would be expected to present complete REASON and not emotion when discussing a topic.

    Eventually either Reason will win them over and they will stop supporting stupidity, and become a person of reason, or they will leave, and will no longer be a resident.

    We all know for a 100% certainty that Liberal views are based completely on ideology and emotion devoid of REAL facts.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 10 years, 2 months ago
    NO! In Galt's Gulch there can be No Ruler. It's all Voluntary.
    No "president" and certainly no Pseudo-Prez!
    Frankly, who can name ANY "good" president of any Government of Force?
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  • Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 2 months ago
    Definite NO. Anyone who uses reason can't possibly agree with Obama on anything.
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