Need a fabrication mill full of 3D printers, with extruders capable of printing in various metals, not just plastic.

The 3D printers could print parts for industrial robots, which when assembled and commissioned, would then take over the 3D printers to print even more robots, which would then use the printers to create parts to build more 3D printers, and so on.

That, and a silicon foundry for creating silicon chips and semiconductors on demand, because both 3D printers and robots need them, as well as much of the general goods that the mill will produce.

You would still need a small freighter for delivering supplies from New Zealand. Looking at a 1200 ton vessel converted in a Chilean Shipyard. The vessel will have two 5K hp Cat Diesels driving through individual gearboxes a pair each of 1k hp water jets.That should drive the vessel in excess of 12 knots. Also, having the hull wrapped in Kevlar phenolic panels. The Bridge and cargo covers would be modified to water-tight design. Salt water proof Solar Panels on the roof the Bridge with freshwater rinse systems. This would provide back power to a silicone deep cycle battery bank. A special fuel bladder for diesel fuel tank as a precaution against rupture.

A Gulch... the thought. Of sharing space with others who believe in personal responsibility and logic... but right now it can't happen. While we plan and discuss, why not follow one very important thought from AS? Why not a once yearly gathering to meet, exchange ideas? Each year the "vacation" could be in a promising location here in the states to start with, to give as many as possible the chance to attend.

when do we leave? -- j

http://library.fora.tv/2008/05/24/Kathy_...

the convicts built their own jail and were paid to do it!

I think the current service is satellite.
I am likely less tolerant of wasted bandwidth than most others here. Many web pages these days will not even work properly without megabytes of image garbage. When I see a page loading slowly I watch the megabyte counter that appears on my browser. It is rare that I see a page that loads without megabytes and megabytes of bandwidth wasting uncompressed images. (The Gulch is exceptionally good.) Getting broadband is not automatic for a small audience. New Zealand has bandwidth limits on nearly all accounts because they are 'off the beaten path.' That is a first world country with 3 million customers and they could not justify an upgraded cable for the coutry recently. A mid ocean Atlantean settlement of a few thousand will not have adequate service unless much better technology is developed for remote areas.

Do I think that a broadband internet is vital for Atlantis? No, but without it residents and businesses may find it much harder to compete.

As I thought.

The OP is thinking, if enough of us move there, we can somehow take control just by our vote. Like Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh and his followers. Rajneesh evacuated the bridges of Houston, Texas, under which those people were living (I was there and I saw it), and bused them all to Antelope, Oregon. Which they all registered to vote in, and renamed the town Rajneeshpuram. But eventually the IRS came knocking on his door, and he skedaddled. His followers scattered. And the regular Antelopers reclaimed their town, and its name, and scrubbed themselves and their town off.

I don't want to see this group follow that course.

Remember: John Galt's goal was to make the finky hit the fan--by removing all those who were standing between the finky and the fan.

I know what you're thinking. For he also said, "We started with no time limit in view. We did not know how long the collapse would take. We knew only this was how we wanted to live."

That's all very well. I'm just saying, the looters can't stand it if anyone gets away from them. That sort of thing makes other people think, "Yeah....why don't I just...?"

And that went triple when, after Hank Rearden finally defected, John Galt spoke for three hours on the radio, and ended by telling everybody to bug out at once!

Hmm, lots of interest I see in a galt's gulch. That is encouraging. Maybe more of a galt's resort where like minded people could go on vacation would make more sense. As to living there, its cool, but I think one would have to be a computer programmer of sorts where the customers would be in the other parts of the world, at least until an infrastructure could be set up on the island so it was kind of self-sufficient. I saw a documentary one time on Pitcairn, and it was kind of hard to get to and land on. I would certainly buy a time share and go there on vacation and be around other libertarian oriented people.

One would have to obtain permission to live there, and once there would be subject both to HM's laws and those of the colony, er, island. If you WERE permitted residency, you would then be, essentially, one of HM's subjects, and there's nothing saying that the island governor (or mayor or whatever the PIC is called) or the island cabinet couldn't ramrod a law through at their whim.

Sketchy at best, at least from a legal standpoint.

From the Wiki on the issue - re the current residents of .pn - and something to think about -

(1) Children under the age of 16, even from the cruise ships, who wish to visit the island, must obtain the prior entry clearance.

And if that's not bad enough...

(2) The UK's Foreign and Commonwealth Office does not currently allow their staff based on Pitcairn to be accompanied by their children.

Something to consider when relocating there. The natives are, of course, natives, VERY unlikely that HM's government would allow discriminatory action against them (regardless of how deserving they are of such treatment).

I find it funny - when you're a few thousand miles from anyone, you live on a small island, the entire notion of "house arrest" (especially when one of the arrestees is the former mayor) is somewhat laughable - it's far more isolated than even the original Australian Settlers and convicts experienced, and that in a very small and compressed space.

Yes. Years ago I got to Fanning Island. I absolutely loved it. It is a low, reefed atoll. It has inhabitants only because it's on the equator (no hurricanes).

I know it's not Gulch-like, but I would want to use the internet for conduct my work. Yes, I know that would blow my cover...haha...

Then again, outside of news of the outside world, would you need the Interwebs? Yes, it is a great source of information and knowledge. I think this is a small thing.

You're thinking about a finky hitting the fan scenario.
If that happens, no one is getting to us anyway. We'd be the last place they'd come looking for assets.
I'm just assuming, get away from all this, let them have their parasites.

As long as you don't want a lot of graphics, and are fine with just text news. That streams pretty good.
You can also go Satellite. It might not be too bad or expensive

There are an abundance of islands in the South Pacific. The vast ocean has more unused islands than Magellan ever could begin to imagine. Based on Terrycan's scenario, within a few years the first of many survival problems will begin to appear, just one of which is the need to control the birthrate. Imposing ZPG (Zero Population growth) would be out of the question. I see as the greatest possible conflicts not be so much ideology as territorial expansion. So many things to consider, so difficult to compensate for them. The problem with free individuals is their hatred of robotic lock-step. If you have 10,000 people, you will have at least 8,000 different opinions and that is a conservative (No pun intended) estimation.

I think creepy is an understatement. From what I read all of the molesters are still there but living under house arrest. So 1/7 of the population cannot leave their homes and like to molest little girls.

Personally, relocation of those guys should be to the bottom of the ocean.

It can drop all the way to 62 temperature wise. Wow. Better bundle up. (current temp here = 29) :)

Perhaps the approach should be more like and interstellar space ship. Limited space, productive people, extreme engineering will be required.

That is a big problem. However most problems have solution. The remote location is a blessing and a curse.

I would certainly agree. In fact the ideal outside footprint would be zero. Undetectability and isolation. Those were John Galt's classical defenses.

Just saying: when the SHTF, any community "they" know about, that same "they" will try to take over. If they can get to it.

The best defense of the classical Gulch in AS was isolation. The secondary defense was inaccessibility.

I doubt a thorium reactor would be needed. Much more cost effective to use ocean thermal energy technology if there is deep water close to the island. My initial assumption is that there is deep water near the island based on the high cliffs on several sides of the island. An ocean thermal system could provide electricity as well as drinking water and chilled water for enhanced agriculture. Such a system is in place as an "experimental" but functioning system in Hawaii.

I'm wondering if the island has an aquifer. It might but I doubt it given its size. For example, the Virgin Islands have small aquifers in limited areas but they are not very usable. If rainfall is enough then rainfall harvesting could supply enough water for normal household purposes. This is currently done in the USVI.

Things would need to be built sustainably. I'm not trying to press any objectivist buttons with environmentalist radical nonsense but I think reason dictates in this case the maximum use of all resources, the minimization and reuse of all waste to the extent possible, etc.