John Galt made clear that people should have individual liberty, along with all the personal responsibility, in a just world. When the society have veered off into taking away personal freedom, he advocated removing his (and other's) participation until the rest of society came to its' senses.

It is unclear exactly what kind of world Obama envisions. Socialist? Fascist? In any case, he is not trying to remove productive people from society to help it collapse, he is trying to enslave productive people to serve his greater good. In so doing, he is driving some good people to "go Galt" or otherwise reduce their efforts.

Instead of thinking of Obama as Galt, think of him as Cuffy Meigs.

Socialists are like children feeding off the work and wealth of parents. They don't want to produce wealth on their own. Once their system collapses, they just wallow in misery like in Venezuela. Then socialism falls out of favor and the capitalists build it back up again. There's a basic flaw in human nature that tilts people towards socialism u think- over and over again in history

Other than power in their hands, liberals are never able to define what their ideal world looks like, how it operates and how it's sustainable. All they know is it feels good.
(Go Navy)

Wesley Mouch, maybe.

Undefinable goals?

Power, Control over Others. Actually, pretty simple answer to that.
"Transparent," some might assert... :)

JJJ, I just have a LOT of trouble imagining how that 'rebuilding' would happen after such a 'collapse.'

Would the Survivors of such a Collapse ALL be people of ethics and morals who could/would want to or be able to do the Rebuilding? How many would it take?

If there WERE people holed up in The Gulch during the Collapse, how many would that be, and what would they DO 'after the Collapse'? Organize? Teach? Manage?

If we can't change the masses' minds Today, how likely would any Survivors Of Collapse be the ones to help with the Great Rebuilding?

I've read the books, seen the movies and been in this Gulch for quite a while, but I haven't heard much in the way of Recovery Strategy having been put forth.

Did I miss it? Is there a link to such a thread? Help! And NO, I do NOT 'have an answer.' My strength, if any, is in Asking Questions that Need To Be Asked. I'm NOT an implementer. I have admitted that all along.

So... the Answer is?.............

Ed, even in AS3, the implication was that the Motor WAS 'fully developed." It did what it was designed to do and there was no indication that it couldn't be scaled up or down to any desirable size.

But to assert that the development of the motor might have been to "[provide] a great benefit to the world" is something John (or Ayn) would seriously and vehemently disagree with.

Yes, by taking away his Motor, John prevented the 'corrupt politicians' from stealing the fruits of his labors and intellect, but the Motor of The World John wanted to 'stop' was the motor OF the corruption and moral and ethical decay that WAS 'running the world' he lived in... in the World Outside the Gulch.

imnsho...., of course, too.

Sorry!
The last sentence should have read:
You have to think clearly to be able to write well!
Haste makes waste.

Ewwww!!!! Beyond revolting!!

This is fundamentally wrong President Obama referred to the movie Atlas Shrugged as Sophmoric. So no Obama is not John Galt and to suggest that even as a point of discussion is insulting.

It is the difference of the ends that is significant. One is moral the other is not. Moral, to me, means something in harmony with my fundamental values. In America, it means in harmony with the fundamental values clearly indicated in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

You have to think clearly to be able to think clearly!

I believe my grandfather said it best:
"An empty barrel makes the most noise"

No. Obama's goal is that of the green leaders on http://green-agenda.com -- destroy the economy of the rich world and keep it that way. Not only will he never rebuild, he will prevent a rebuilding for as long as he possibly can. So will most other Democratic politicians.

And once they have reduced the US to a copy of Peron's Argentina, I'd be surprised if we ever get the opportunity to rebuild without first fighting a successful revolution.

OK -- eliminated, at lower cost by the uncompassionate
method -- agreed. -- j
.

I disagree. But in either case, they are eliminated.

I beg to differ. . Galt would ask Ragnar to escort
the BHOs of the world to a sanitarium where they
could be helped with their problems and kept
out of the way. . compassionate competition. -- j
.

this hurts my head, but it's analogous. . it's just that
BHO wants to "build" the world with slaves, and Galt
would want to build the world with free peple. -- j
.

Time to reject the "fundamental Transformation of America" and transform America by returning to the fundamentals.

I don't get what you're trying to argue. Yes, a process involving man has a morality factor, but I don't get what you're trying to describe as a 'philosophy of morality'.

I don't disagree, but his destruction is focused on America specifically and the Western civilization in general.

I know I am seeing liberals everywhere...

Liberalism is a mental disease. They are addicts just like alcoholics. They are addicted to slavery and controlling everyone else at everyone else's expense. The abhor exceptionalism and hard work. They seek to turn everyone into clones with one ruling class to direct them all.

Faulty logic is still faulty.

1) John Galt was stopping the engin of the world by refusing to submit to slavery
1a) Galt was all about free will and individual value..

2) Obama's complete goal is to enslave everyman for the "good of the whole." Landru.
2a) "YOU did not build that."

You could compare Obama and Galt in the same sentence you compare the Christian God to Satan perhaps.

Free Will vs. Enslavement
Individual vs. Collectivist.

The is nothing even close to John Galt and Obama other than perhaps they belong the the Human race, and I am beginning to even question Obama being human.

Collapse maybe. Rebuild? Ha-ha-HA!!!

Soetoro is trying to transform America according to the dreams of the Marxist father who abandoned him.