Rand and the Mystics

Posted by j_IR1776wg 9 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
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"As products of the split between man’s soul and body, there are two kinds of teachers of the Morality of Death: the mystics of spirit and the mystics of muscle, whom you call the spiritualists and the materialists, those who believe in consciousness without existence and those who believe in existence without consciousness. Both demand the surrender of your mind, one to their revelations, the other to their reflexes. No matter how loudly they posture in the roles of irreconcilable antagonists, their moral codes are alike, and so are their aims: in matter—the enslavement of man’s body, in spirit—the destruction of his mind." from the Ayn Rand Lexicon

Where would you place President Obama in the above thought? Mystic of spirit? or Mystic of muscle?


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  • Posted by Stormi 9 years, 9 months ago
    I would classify Obama as neither, rather as Valerie Jarrett's puppet He has no obvious values, other than advancing himself no matter to whom he must bow. JFK was a pragmatist, this guy is a Marxist, evil hater of mankind.I am not sure the man thinks, he blindly follows the teachings of Frank Marshall Davis and Saul Alinsky.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree wwolema. They spend every day using reason and logic planning to rid the earth of individuals and individual rights. They are evil but successful. In Rand's books they come a cropper. But I'm not sure this will happen to them in my lifetime.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How did a man probably born in Kenya with a CT Social Security number,with no verifiable accomplishments in life end up in the Oval Office? He was groomed for the job.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    +1 wiggys. He and his cohorts live in a closed society within our larger society. Always dangerous in any organization.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago
    President Obama is his own god. Even psychologists have admitted that he has a case of extreme narcissism. And as his own god, he expects us to worship him and cater to his every whim and desire.

    No thanks.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 9 months ago
    Both.
    He is the classic combination of Shaman and Hun. However, he reserves his use of force for his own people. The thought of foreign war scares the crap out of him. He reminds me of the big brother who will only beat up his younger brother. Other kids make him wet his pants.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Pragmatist is too nice a word. He is a Machiavellian, just like his buddy Saul Alinsky.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 9 years, 9 months ago
    Obama is like a child that knows all the words but has no idea what they mean. His world view is that people should heed what he says and ignore what he does. But because he has a dim view at best of what his words mean his rhetoric provides little in the way of useful information. To truly understand Obama and other "liberal-progressive-collectivists" you need to do the opposite. Pay close attention to what they do and completely ignore everything they say.
    Obama, like most liberal-progressives, has a very primitive understanding of economics in that they believe money has mystical properties that can be controlled by edict (incantations) rather than market forces. So in that sense he is a mystic of the ephemeral.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    he has no values!
    he does not chose who to reward they are on their own and what they can steal is okay with him.
    mystics are confused to start with.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 9 years, 9 months ago
    Cast in the same mold as the Marxists that programmed him, he is a mystic of muscle.
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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 9 months ago
    Jeb Bush said: "I've already stated my views about Donald Trump,"

    Actually he has state nothing, only rambled on and on. There is a book I love, that is well used for writing college papers.

    Title: "How to say NOTING in 500 words."

    THAT is what Jeb and the vast majority of politicians do. They say NOTHING in 500 words assuming will either get bored, or distracted and move on.
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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 9 months ago
    Neither.
    I would say:
    Ideology without any reason and logic.

    I think you need Consciousness to define existence.

    Otherwise humans are nothing more than instinctive animals with no reason, only action/reaction.
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  • Posted by philosophercat 9 years, 9 months ago
    Obama is a pragmatist who has surrounded himself with a mix of altruists and socialists who want power to compel their vision. Obama is just mentally lost between pragmatic politics and his ideologues. The danger is he cant choose based on his values. He has to choose who to reward in his circle. He is a mystic of confusion.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
    I would place him as a sock puppet to Secular Progressives under the Mystic George Yoda and the out and out looter George Soros. Which nicely takes care of mind (or lack there of) and muscle (about seven billion) Shock Troops galore betweenHollywood, US Congress's Government Party and the former mainstream mystical media - and for Gestapo the ACLU.

    Not to put too fine a point on it.

    Question to anyone? how did an orphan refugee from eastern Europe make his way across the curtain to immediately attend top drawer university in England add London School of Economics and skate his way on thin ice to present position? Who is he really working for? Or since the 'Soviet Union Collapsed is he just acting as a free agent for the Socialists You get two choices China or the new US Government Party.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 9 months ago
    0 is the consummate mystic!!!!!!! 0 functions within his own world of believing that everything he does IS correct and everything everyone else does is incorrect. all of the pawns that serve him actually know this but will not tell him he has no clothes because they like their pay checks and what ever power they currently have, which goes when he goes. I am also of the opinion that he has brain damage from all of the weed he has ingested since his youth and of course it is now legal so he has never stopped. mysticism is his creed.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with the spirit. As for the muscle, I doubt he would get into the ring to fight against a wet dishrag.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 9 months ago
    I think there are elements of both Mystic of Muscle and Spirit in Obama's behavior. Muscle in the form of using the IRS and other agencies to attack conservative groups (like Gibson Guitar) and Mystic of Spirit in his rhetoric regarding "hope" and the sell job of "Ocare is wonderful" and global warming is "settled science". The Oracle has said it is so ... to believe otherwise is blasphemy.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 9 years, 9 months ago
    There is something very similar in Galt's radio address, right? (my book is on loan trying to broaden its influence).
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