Hay should I be here?
Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 9 months ago to Ask the Gulch
I wanted to get a little input from the community here based on the pop up message I received today to remind me about the possibility of being banned based on attacking others, or posting anything that disagrees with Objectivism.
I do try to stay away from attacking any person. I attempt to find a common ground with those I deal with so I do not think this to be a problem for me. If I ever slip and let myself do so, I apologize and likely do not realize I did so. Please let me know so I can catch myself next time I either communicate poorly or let my thoughts get the better of me.
The real point of this post is this. I do not agree with everything in Objectivism. The vast majority yes, I have found truth in it, and it has helped me define things I have always felt true but could not put into words. This has me thinking about going back to college for a philosophy degree not just to learn more about philosophy to look at others besides objectivism to better understand the whole lot.
From my perspective objectivism included within it a religion as the forced religion of the philosophy. I do not share with those the accept the full package that religion, nor will I ever do so.
I joined the site to talk with and support others who value the power of a mind, reason, free agency, self rule and a desire to earn what they get in life. By very definition a person that values these things will not ask another to live for them. I have enjoyed many threads of conversation on this site. My preference is to continue to do so. I wonder though based on the pop up and site agreement if I should continue to participate.
The pop up has made me wonder: Is it the preference of this community that a person such as myself that combines a different religion (not Atheism) with Objectivism in there life not be part of this community?
I do try to stay away from attacking any person. I attempt to find a common ground with those I deal with so I do not think this to be a problem for me. If I ever slip and let myself do so, I apologize and likely do not realize I did so. Please let me know so I can catch myself next time I either communicate poorly or let my thoughts get the better of me.
The real point of this post is this. I do not agree with everything in Objectivism. The vast majority yes, I have found truth in it, and it has helped me define things I have always felt true but could not put into words. This has me thinking about going back to college for a philosophy degree not just to learn more about philosophy to look at others besides objectivism to better understand the whole lot.
From my perspective objectivism included within it a religion as the forced religion of the philosophy. I do not share with those the accept the full package that religion, nor will I ever do so.
I joined the site to talk with and support others who value the power of a mind, reason, free agency, self rule and a desire to earn what they get in life. By very definition a person that values these things will not ask another to live for them. I have enjoyed many threads of conversation on this site. My preference is to continue to do so. I wonder though based on the pop up and site agreement if I should continue to participate.
The pop up has made me wonder: Is it the preference of this community that a person such as myself that combines a different religion (not Atheism) with Objectivism in there life not be part of this community?
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Jan
http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/posts...
I certainly have no suspicion that this pop up was aimed at XenokRoy.
Jan
It seemed to me that the tone of the site had shifted a bit to "If you not a pure Objectivist, this is not for you." and that perception was reinforced by the pop up.
I am a Christian, but I do not ever wish to come across as proselytizing (either her or elsewhere). I will state my own beliefs and find others interesting to hear as well, but if I ever come off as trying to convert someone understand that is not my intent. I greatly respect, even when I disagree with, a persons right to any religion of their choice.
Thanks again for your comments.
When I am amongst people who consider themselves as Objectivists, I do not characterize myself in such a fashion because I have mine own set of values, and they only partially agree with what people state to be Objectivism (which definition in turn depends on who is making the statement). When I am with the general (liberal) population I will sometimes say that I am an Objectivist or a Randist, because it is a handy shorthand for them to 'see where I am coming from'.
I find much value in the comments of people who are marginal Objectivists, as I am. I too look forward to the 'binocular vision' provided by rational dissent.
Jan
Also it will come up for you again if you login/signin on a different device.
They didn't seem all that bad to me, but I wasn't part of the melee. But sometimes the problem is that a written statement can come off more harshly than intended and things can get out of hand.
For the record, I had one of those pop up warnings as well, so I don't know what's up with that. Oh well...macht nichts.
I too was surprised today with this pop up warning.
You and I have been conversing on these sites for some time and it would be a shame if you were to go dark. It has been my experience that you are a courteous and thoughtful contributor.
I, for one, do not have a take it all or leave litmus test. I only expect courtesy and respectful dialog. "We can disagree without being disagreeable." Gerald Ford
Respectfully,
O.A.
We don't want to degenerate into this:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-liv...
I was concerned with the rash of threads around religion that it may have triggered the pop up reminder.
I am unlike some people in our world that would like to force a business to provide a service that business owner does wish to provide to them. I see that a a disrespect of property rights, and do not wish to be doing that here.
If I stop being a thinking adult, notify and explain my offense to me.
If I don't or can't comply, ban me for a cooling off period. If I persist after the cooling off period, then ban me permanently.
If someone disagrees with Objectivism in some way, it should not be reason enough to be banned, imo, but the owner of the site has earned the right to decide. I am here with that understanding.
If people who disagree with Objectivism in some way are always banned then they will have little opportunity to learn, contribute, and possibly accept Objectivism.
The above is my opinion.
But I wonder how a debate would play out between Alphonse and Gaston.
If someone seems ignorant of history or science, is it name-calling to tell them that they are in point of fact ignorant? Do we need a list of forbidden words?