I've read most of those, and except for "The Handmaid's Tale," which I thought was bad as SF and bad generally, I thought practically all of the ones on that list that I had read were very good.
Its a given that all lists are subjective, but htis list is bogus. Seriously, Neil Gaiman? No Arthur C. Clarke or Ray Bradbury? American Gods was interesting but sophomoric in its delivery.
Posted by $jdg 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
The difference between SF and fantasy is that SF is set in a plausible future. Obviously, what's plausible is at least somewhat a matter of opinion, and will change with time.
For instance, people-on-Mars stories were plausible until we sent probes that showed there aren't any.
Posted by $jdg 9 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
I saw Stranger, more than anything else, as an admission that even the people who "believe" in religion know it is a scam, and are in it in order to scam people.
Yes, and as I like all three genres, I thought I might be quibbling.
Some older SciFi, like H.G. Wells and Jules Verne have shifted to fantasy. I think we can safely rule out discovering an Island or Plataea with dinosaurs and other prehistoric beasts living on it, but those are still enjoyable stories.
One other thing, I kind of make a distinction between Science Fiction that allows Humans to have *psychic" or mystical powers and those that try to imagine a future where the human mind is what we see today.
Examples of the former might be Star Trek or Babylon 5, examples of the latter might be Alien or "The Diamond Age". I love Trek and the like, but I think I prefer a non-supernatural approach to Sci Fi.
So for me, moving stuff around with your mind, uh, not my cup of tea. Doing stuff with a giant Krell machine (Forbidden Planet) scanning your mind, yes that might be possible . Another quibble I suppose...
No, it's not just you. That was precisely my thought. Fantasy and science fiction are two distinct genres. Horror is a separate other also. But I like them all. Guess that's why I give the Syfy Channel a pass. It's silly "Syfy" name kinda Sharknado helps. But actual books in libraries, bookstores and book sales sites? I say hell no to that icky mix.
I just received two John Carter on Mars. I like the variety and multitude of choices. I don't agree with the List. Heinlein needs adding but I wouldn't waste my money on the movies. Books!
I don't criticise the idea of wanting to sell the books; I'd just rather see respect for the prospective customer in the way it is pitched. (Reading could be better than watching most tv programs, at least.) ;^) Its not an easy business though, with all the other entertainments that appear to be more engaging. Reading requires a different use of faculties, not as "glamorous."
I agree, they should be kept a 2 seperate genres. I didn't lock on to hardly any of the bottom 50. Maybe they just went on aggregate scores from Amazon which is totally inaccurate since not everyone leaves reviews. The old Man War was a good sneaker in the list. I was surprised with Ancillary Justice as it was something I took out of desperation when I ran low on choices on Audible.
I grok that. BTW, I think SIASL was an expose on just how religion can be manipulated, in addition to how what you perceive something to be is what it becomes. I found it a much easier read if you listen to it as a audio-book, the guy who does it gets JJHarshaw perfect.
I went to the Amazon thing and clicked on the Good reads link and there was a list of all 100, although how they came up with it may be suspect. Not one Honor Harrington book and that was easily more well read than Ancillary Justice, which I read both and AJ was not near any HH book. I do agree Heinlein did not fit in the PC universe, but his universe was never PC. You are accurate in it was clunky the way they did it, seemingly to entice you to vote for a book and Goodreads gets your email to sell.
Can it be that the website designers really think that the viewers have such a short attention span that this is the only way to reach them? Or are all these sites designed in coordination with cell phone companies to display for a 4" cellphone screen and waste as much bandwidth as possible? Inquiring minds want to know!
Heinlein wasn't politically correct. Remember this is being promoted by CNN, and created by Amazon who recently banned confederate flag images from all products.
Now for a pet peeve. I didn't even look at the books on this web site. I HATE websites that are designed to waste my time. Forcing the user to go through 20 pages of horsepucky to see a couple sentences and a photo of a book cover on each page is insulting. When I see a website with this arrangement solely for the calculated benefit of the publisher and purposely wasteful of the endusers' time and the limited bandwidth of the internet, I walk away, never to return. This entire article is contrived to help sell books for Amazon. What a BRILLIANT way to chase away potential customers.
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For instance, people-on-Mars stories were plausible until we sent probes that showed there aren't any.
Some older SciFi, like H.G. Wells and Jules Verne have shifted to fantasy. I think we can safely rule out discovering an Island or Plataea with dinosaurs and other prehistoric beasts living on it, but those are still enjoyable stories.
One other thing, I kind of make a distinction between Science Fiction that allows Humans to have *psychic" or mystical powers and those that try to imagine a future where the human mind is what we see today.
Examples of the former might be Star Trek or Babylon 5, examples of the latter might be Alien or "The Diamond Age". I love Trek and the like, but I think I prefer a non-supernatural approach to Sci Fi.
So for me, moving stuff around with your mind, uh, not my cup of tea. Doing stuff with a giant Krell machine (Forbidden Planet) scanning your mind, yes that might be possible . Another quibble I suppose...
That was precisely my thought.
Fantasy and science fiction are two distinct genres. Horror is a separate other also.
But I like them all.
Guess that's why I give the Syfy Channel a pass.
It's silly "Syfy" name kinda Sharknado helps.
But actual books in libraries, bookstores and book sales sites?
I say hell no to that icky mix.
Its not an easy business though, with all the other entertainments that appear to be more engaging. Reading requires a different use of faculties, not as "glamorous."
― Frank Herbert, Dune
“Objective evidence is the ultimate authority. Recorders may lie, but Nature is incapable of it.”
―Walter M. Miller, Jr., A Canticle For Leibowitz
http://www.amazon.com/s?rh=i%3Aenglis...
I counted down rows of three to find Starship Troopers at 21
Any list that puts Starship Troopers or Stranger not in the top 20 is bogus in my book.
I also agree that I don't like lists that mix fantasy and SciFi. Different genres generally although there are a few books that kind of cross over.
Stanislaw Lem, Phillip K. Dick, Arthur C Clark, made it, but a lot of my favorites are missing.
I really don't like lists that mix fantasy with Sci Fi, I would prefer to see them kept separate, But that's just me, I suppose.
Or are all these sites designed in coordination with cell phone companies to display for a 4" cellphone screen and waste as much bandwidth as possible?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Now for a pet peeve. I didn't even look at the books on this web site.
I HATE websites that are designed to waste my time. Forcing the user to go through 20 pages of horsepucky to see a couple sentences and a photo of a book cover on each page is insulting.
When I see a website with this arrangement solely for the calculated benefit of the publisher and purposely wasteful of the endusers' time and the limited bandwidth of the internet, I walk away, never to return.
This entire article is contrived to help sell books for Amazon. What a BRILLIANT way to chase away potential customers.