Donald Trump or Ted Cruz? Republicans Argue Over Who Is Greater Threat

Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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Interesting read.

Trump needs to be stopped cold. The republican establishment is coming out in support of him big time now, they hate Cruz which is all more reason to vote for him.


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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think trump does tell it like he sees it. Hillary is a total chameleon. Trump built a business. Hillary hasn't accomplished anything productive. Both trump and sanders are honest and forthright. Trump iisn't beholden to special interests; Hillary is. Trump isn't going to bk the country through wild spending on welfare and free college tuition and 15$ minimum wage or religious zealotry. Both Hillary and sanders will speed up our destruction as Obama has done. Cruz will never get electrd
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hillary hides it. Trump says it's currently allowed so he used it. But he buys politicians off not for gain but to get then off his back
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sanders cant speak for me as he and I disagree on things.

    Would I rather have Sanders than Trump, yes. I would rather have someone that I know what I am getting that a person who will change what he says based on what he thinks we want to here.

    Trump and Hillary both say whatever they think expedient or best for them at the moment. I will agree Trump is not PC, but he speaks not to what he will do, but to what he believes people want to hear. He is fairly skilled at identifying what peopel want to hear.

    I would greatly prefer a person who says what they believe and is principled, even if I disagree with there principles (sanders). I would greatly prefer someone that has principles that I agree with 90% or more (Cruz) than someone whom I disagree with.

    Trump or Hillary? Given that choice the winner would make no difference. They would both be tyrants like the one we have now.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are contradicting your self.

    You condemn Hillary for making deals behind the scenes and bless Trump for doing the same. Trump and Hillary are from the same class of people, thieves. Its just a mater of if society recognizes it or not.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Never gather that which you don't know. In Spring or fall I enjoy them all because I see choices where you see limited options dictated by others. And I see blooms where you see deserts

    Holier? Nay it's the difference between saying and doing ...Along with a few others from this forum we've long since been gulch residents

    Some look at my boat and say when are you going to go somewhere? Strange thing; to ask as I've been there, returned and been again but now retired. My answer to them is When are you going to go the first time. The gulch can be a physical place but it' always a state of mind. Once you accept that it's yours to enjoy.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 3 months ago
    Trump is no threat to the GOP-(progressive or just out for themselves) establishment but Cruz is, everyone tows the line, obeys the law under Cruz and they are soiling their pants over it.
    Trump is as dangerous as bama or hiltery.

    Cruz will be good for America...My take at the present time and could change my mind at anytime.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Let me know when you find the Gulch....perhaps we could join you and we cab all live as pure Objectivists!

    I guess from what you have posted, you are not participating in any of the upcoming elections.....I also imagine that is why you can take a somewhat holier than thou attitude although, you will probably be suffering the same fate as the rest of us poor mortals for whatever outcome of so many of ignored election(s) it turns out to be.

    Not sure how that works out for you however, I defer to your perspective, it is yours after all. BTW, which way to the Gulch?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No leftist will ever get my vote. He's a Republcian that's the right wing of the left. If 30% of 24% stand down that's 7.2% and the undervote is already 44 to 46% means 51.2 to 53.2 perecent are saying. Fie upon your phony rigged election. No confidence, none of the above. No more lies, deceit and no more chances.

    So now the question is what happens to the remaining 29% which is the far lefts share at present. Subtract a reduced near left share by 30% it still leaves the far left with 29% to 71% No mandate, no landslide and over half the country opting out of rigged elections And that's how you form the basis for making change. Not by giving in and quitting.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yep I changed that.....but he still isn't acceptable even though he is qualified to run. too far to the left. of the constitution for me.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since we're introducting new definitions who do you refer to as Sociaist Conservative? By definition the real one the socialist are in power that makes them all conservatives as they are the entrenched fortification builders defending their power. gotta use a pre PC dictionary.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    don't you people read anything and pay attention. What other politician made a promise anywhere close to the Contract With America and put it all in place in 90 days? Answe is zero, zip, goose egg, cerro, nada. the contract referred to is unique and I see nothing about Trump to indicate it would last any longer than was convenient to Trump. If he did take that bloody oath and violated it then .....so what? What redress? None. It isn't rocket science the man doesn't know the truth from fiction nor fact from feckless. What's that got to do with any solution? or is that a diversion. Contracts Mean Nothing To Trump. That clear enough. The solution is don't vote for Trump. You won't find anything better even in the most right wing reaches of the left wing and he's a long way from there. Corporatist Statist Socialiste Looter tht fits between A Republican In Name Only and a Democrat in Name Only. How many fibs,lies, how much plagiarism, how many flip flops before you figure out he's a very expensive but very empty suit whose number one goal is Trump.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I dont use your useless definitions I use my own. Left are those who put Government Over Citizens that's everything from Republicans and Rinos to Democrats, Dinos and secular progressives etc. The center is the constitution not the center of the left and that's people who put citizens over government. Easily explains why Republicans always cave to the left. Because they are the right wing OF the left along with thei enablers. nothing confrusing about it and it replaces a useless system of meaning less definitions that are nothing more than leftist propaganda along with a one party two faced system of rigged elections. End of conversation. Nice thing about objectivism it teaches individual freedom and turning your back on the various collectives.

    Ergo sum....that includes Cruz and the enabler Republicans.

    I don't have to please anybody but myself but in reading all the posts I'll bet my system carries more weight than does that of the fascist left.
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  • Posted by DanShu 9 years, 3 months ago
    Like some have said here 30% of Republicans will stand down and not vote if Trumps the man. All it takes to see Cruz will win is if you look at the 2nd choice of most. Even among Trumpites they chose Cruz as second and a lot of others say 3rd. Take Trump out and Cruz probably wins because very few will stand down.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I said earlier, I have paid off politicians too, and as I remember that happened in Atlas Shrugged too. To get powerful political people off your back, that is what is required. I dont doubt that Trump has done that. In his business, government stands in your way constantly, and the only thing you get by buying them off is that they dont use their laws against you.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I know this "poll" has been floated lately. I dont trust polls, as they are easily manipulated. We will see who wins. If all the gulchers voted one way or the other, it wouldnt change the election one bit anyway.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Would you rather Sanders speaking for you? Or perhaps the really evil Hillary? Remember that actual election brings about more seriousness on the part of candidates than when running for office. What I like about Trump is that he DOES speak whats on his mind, and isnt stopped by political correctness. We need that at this point in time.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Bob Dole isnt really someone to listen to very much I think. Cruz is just kind of an odd duck. I have trouble getting behind him. I am not so sure he would be good for anyone. I dont care about abortion as it doesnt impact me and it IS a small problem in the scheme of things.

    I know people on this forum fasten on bankruptcy and eminent domain to really land on Trump. Really, in the same scheme of things, are they such big obstacles in whats going to happen for the next 4 years? The supreme court said eminent domain is OK, so thats off the table. As to bankruptcy, a LOT of people take advantage of those laws. Without them, I think peoples' private property rights would most likely be the same. The people who do BK wouldnt have the money, and probably never have it to repay their debts anyway.

    I dont get that Boyle was a socialist; he was more like Hillary who makes deals behind the scenes to get what she wants (in exchange for political contributions).

    I had to buy off a building inspector to get my house plans passed. They put themselves in the position of telling you what you can build and cannot build with your own money. I had to buy him a skil saw. I didnt like it, but even Dagny Taggart and crew had to buy people off to get them off their backs.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I saw a news article on Cruz about the military. I should really have the source available before I said something.

    I have trouble with the polls, in that they are so subject to manipulation. I can tell you unscientifically in my experience that Trump has more support at least in other places than this forum !!

    I just dont want Hillary or Sanders or some religious zealot. I would have liked Carson, until he showed that painting of him and Jesus. God only knows what position he would take on things if in a position of power.

    Frankly I dont care about abortion. Thats not one of our really important issues today. I think getting out of useless wars and fiscal responsibility are far more important things. Freedom is inversely proportional to the square of the amount of money the government gets.
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  • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who are all leftists? That was a broad statement and as confusing as a "Constitutional Centrist" whatever that is supposed to be. Centrist means that you sit in the middle of the road and probably get run over by traffic going in both directions! Is that a fair statement that is unless you have a different definition of Centrist......
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually I have some respect for Sandars. He says what he is. I disagree with him, but can respect him.

    I do not even have that for Trump. He is a socialist and states otherwise. He has made his money off government handouts and then more government protections. He even says so, he contributes to election funds because he needs favors. Thats what he has said, yet you seem to see him as a conservative, or a business man. he is a thief and nothing more.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If trump wins we get Sanders. Every poll I have seen shows this. Trump cannot win a general election because 1/3 of those who voted republican in the last 3 elections wont go out to vote, or will vote for a third party.

    According to polls he is the least likely of all the leading candidates (top 5) to win in a general election.

    Look at the polls and think again. A vote for Trump is almost a guarantee that we get them democrat as president again.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dream on.

    Over the weekend this is a qoute from trump

    " I could 'shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters"

    http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/23/politic...

    The sad thing is he is likely right. About 1/3 of republicans love him and love him regardless of the stupid crap like this he says. They are lemmings who would, and will follow him to there deaths. The problem is about 1/3 of republican voters say they will not vote if he is the nominee. So while he has a third that are idiot lemmings its good to see that about the same number have a brain and would not vote for him no matter what.

    A statement like this one is just plain stupid. You really want this guy being the top ambassador of our country, head over feign relations? It shows he has 0 statesmanship.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Every poll suggest that about 30% of the republicans wont vote if Trump wins the nomination. This means he looses.

    Bob Dole in his announced support of Trump "We can put up with Trump for a few months far better than we can put up with Cruz for 4 years"

    He knows Cruz wins, trump looses in a general election. They do not want Cruz because he removed them (the GOP party elect) from power. None of the establishment people who are now comming out in support of trump would have there power any longer should Cruz win.

    A vote for Trump is a vote for a socialist (Think Boyle from atlas shrugged) who has been in bed with the establishment democrats and republicans his whole career. Its a vote to continue down a road towards totalitarianism.

    You are overlooking Cruz because he believes in a god and you do not. The only policy he has that would push that on anyone is in regards to abortion. You are really going to let one minor policy get in the way of a whole mess of history that shows he is a constitutionalism with principles who will stand by his principles when the going gets tough? If so I second DBHalling, you are blind both on who Trump is and (Me only) the potential opportunity we have in Cruz
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