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A favorite Quote from John Adams and Thomas Jefferson

Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 3 months ago to Philosophy
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"Government is instituted for the common good; for the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people; and not for the profit, honor, or private interest of any one man, family, or class of men.

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

For the day these two men were opposite. Adams was a big government man of the day, and Jefferson the small government side. yet both made sense more often than not. They could work with each other, find common ground and make it work. They combined with Franklin are the three who created the declaration of independence.

Where are the people like these of our generations?


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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All one has to do is look at whether or not Congress authorized the monetary outlay. Just like with Obama, Congress can veto a measure undertaken by the President unilaterally simply by refusing to fund it.
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  • Posted by SubVet 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    John Taylor of Caroline won the debate in congress that the Louisiana purchase was constitutional....
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
    One thing to note: the Founding Fathers were learned and studious men who had worked hard since youth. Washington had served as a scout in the French and Indian War. Jefferson was a wealthy landowner, but also a student and inventor. Adams entire family was heavily involved in the Boston political scene and he was schooled in law but also maintained a family farm. Franklin was an inventor and successful publisher. Most of the others had similar stories.

    These men also had an innate understanding of what was right: how people should be able to run their own lives. And that understanding and conviction ran so deep they were willing to pledge their "lives, fortunes, and sacred honor" on making it happen.

    That is primarily what we are missing in today's America: those with the internal drive to hold the course no matter what. Until we can rekindle that kind of fire in our progeny, this nation will continue to be run by the lazy and indolent who are too busy being entertained to study, learn, and educate themselves in the principles of freedom.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No doubt. This is exactly the reason our founders established a Republic with a Constitution. As long as there was strict adherence to the Constitution the Republic survives. As soon as the Constitution is set aside we become a Democracy, which by the way is what has been taught in schools for years, and the nation declines as stated in the quote. We are there in my opinion.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 9 years, 3 months ago
    My favorite quote:
    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.
    Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency
    Alexander Tyler. Scottish historian quoting from others.

    How prophetic.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 3 months ago
    All the good quotes came from Jeffy before he became president. After that you find such things “Let’s get this deal done (Louisiana Purchase) before anyone realizes it is illegal.” Power does indeed corrupt.
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish I had the magic answer. I keep coming back to the fact the we really cannot make anyone see anything. They have to see it themselves, hopefully before there is no chance to return to freedom.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I sadly have to state that I agree with you.

    It bring up the question what can we do to help people understand that eventually we will get to where it is freedom or death, in a very uncomfortable way; really how do we help them understand we are all ready there. Only its not death of body that is faced if freedom is not taken its death of mind.
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  • Posted by krevello 9 years, 3 months ago
    Sadly, I think a lot of the people who are for political correctness and the big, protectionist state think they are enacting the legacy of these men. They think "the common good" is about proactive government adjudicating and legislating on some form of material parity rather than as a protector of equal rights, which, when secured, are the real common good. They've never read in depth any of the Founders.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 3 months ago
    Long time passing. Either that or they are part of the 44 to 46 percent who opted out of the quadrennial charade. (sp?)
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  • Posted by edweaver 9 years, 3 months ago
    IMHO, there cannot/will not be people like those 3, or any of the other founders simply because there is no one in our generation that was forced to deal with the hardships of that day. We have lost many of the freedoms that they fought for but most people don't realize it. At that time there was no unemployment insurance, it was earn/catch/grow food or die. There was no welfare, it was work or die. Every single freedom lost back then was felt. It was either fight for freedom or die, literally. Unfortunately I don't believe we will have people of that caliber until life becomes so hard that the choices are freedom or death. I so wish to be wrong.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 3 months ago
    Sorry but I have to answer in the negative. They are not leaders in government or politics because that has become an activity that only serves itself at the expense of the protection, safety, prosperity, and happiness of the people.
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