If you favor free markets and individual liberty, it certainly appears the dark side is in control, term2.

Oaths have little to do with anything in today's world.

What I was getting at is this: If you call up guard from California or some other liberal place, and you call them up under a divisive guise people will follow it.

If you call up the California guard to go put down the rebellion against the empire in Utah they are likely to go do it. It wont matter if the rebellion is legit, it will only mater that the progressive culture of California does not much care for the conservative culture of Utah. You can use racial lines, or religious lines as well, anything that separates people into groups can an will be used to get one group to suppress the other.

They all ready do that socially and its naive to think they wont take the same approach physically if military law were put in place.

But people seem to let him and the politicians who supported it and so many dumb policies off the hook. My medical costs doubled at least under ObamaCare, as did millions of others

Actually I have read AS several times. What I am frustrated by is the failure of rational thinking to gain enough traction to halt the spread of socialism. Even in AS what got halt some traction was the complete failure of socialism. What I was suggesting is pointing out the failures of socialism would help to show people in practical terms how it doesn't work.

I definitely don't want to force anyone to believe in anything. I don't feel comfortable however having a president professing to use governmental powers to enforce the beliefs handed down by a mystical being that infringe on my right to live my own life. We need true separation of church and state for a change, that's all

The only real way to reduce costs is to take a fresh look at healthcare in the 21st century and get away from the "Doctor with the black bag" paradigm.

We need to allow new ways of caring for people's health that don't funnel through a doctor. Software could certainly help if laws controlling practicing medicine without a license were changed.

We did remove support which allowed it to happen. It was a big part of Jimmy Carter's agenda that the U.S. would no longer support people who didn't respect human rights.

It's certainly something that sounds good but you have to take into account what will happen as a result of that decision. As a result, we had the Iranian Revolution. If we had not withdrawn support, it's possible that it would not have been overthrown.

Obama CAN'T cut costs. The doctors and other professionals in the health care industry are the only ones who can do that. Obama probably can't even draw blood. How the hell can he restructure the medical establishment!?!? ANY politician who claims that he or she can "fix" anything is a liar.

You can look at the achievements of the leftists. They started with the Clayton Act, which was driven by envy, followed by antitrust, which was also driven by envy, followed by the Fed and the income tax, also driven by envy. By that time, there was enough momentum that Hoover and FDR could go hog wild for the better part of 20 years, implementing all sorts of leftist ideas, driven by, not envy (on the surface), but by a host of new "rights." Once those "rights" were accepted, then all kinds of crap could be enacted. If it took 130 years to get where we are today, it's likely to take at least that long to get rid of it and possibly restore 75 or 80 percent of the ideal. The point is, if you're not as committed enough to be willing to wage a 130 year war, then you'd better go sit quietly in a corner, suck your thumb, and assume the position.

I was careful to say that a revolution wouldn't happen until the country has become a slave to progressivism.

Michael,

Check out how many military contractors work directly for the white house. Also the national and state guard can be called up by the white house and fema is well armed.

It wont be the military. Civil defense is not the preview of the military but the local national guard chapter and fema. They would bring the 150,000+ contractors home and send more military out to deal with things abroad.

Fema's purchased armored vehicles, tons of .223 ammunition and stock piled it over the last few years.

I would agree with you if it would be the military in charge, more than half would refuse to do it, but if you go to california national gaurd and tell them how bad those small government red necks are in Utah, they will go and pin us down.

The military only would get involved if they refuse to follow orders (many would take this route) or if the tyrant in charge knew he had them in his pocket.

Obama said, when first campaigning for office. We need a civil defense force at least as strong as our military. he has gone a long way to make that happen and they answer only to the white house.

Agreed. It wont take 100 years, we have the constitution on our side.

You look at what the two presidents who had a brain about it did in there times and they prove it wont take so long as that, but it will take more than the 8 years of one good president. It will take 3 good presidents leading towards smaller government over about 20-25 years to set us on the right course, and cement in the ideas of a constitutional self rule for everyone by the rule of law.

A culture shift from a nation of men back to a nation of law will take a generation to make last.

Always a pleasure to chat with you.

I have not given up (though there is sometimes the temptation). So far, what we are terming a 'failure' is still better than any other country on Earth. I do not think it will take us 100 years to get back to freedom because we still have a map to it.

Jan

Trump has made that clear.

He has said:

we will have universal health care, only it will be good.

I will use executive order to get things done, but I will do good things.

Eminent domain is OK, when some single house is stopping a project that would create thousands of jobs, its OK. We have to think of the thousands of jobs.

If you want to give that a chance, something is not right with your thinking. He would be worse for the course of America than any one else on either side of the isle. he pretends to be for small government and conservative but has those kinds of beliefs. What happens when the economy takes a hard crash and we get another fool who says basically "I had to take more power it was the only way to save capitalism" liek Bush did. What will that reinforce again?

No Trump would be the worst possible outcome for freedom.

Read Atlas Shrugged.

Socialist will always claim it was because it was not big enough, and people wouldn't participate as they should. Rand illustrates it very well and I think its an excellent read, you may like it and even learn something from it.

You cannot make something that by its nature is never responsible for anything responsible. To win it, we have to stop focusing on fighting it and have an alternate plan, well thought out and openly discussed.

If you believe that you do not know the man. Is he religious. Yes, and so is every person on this plannet. Some have god as a person, other have god as money, and others have god as a philosophy, and yet others have a god that simply says there is no god. The best of of us use our mind as our god in combination with one of those listed above.

There is no room for bigotry against anything in a rational world. Can you push past your disdain for "HIS version of god" and can you accept that not everyone agrees with "YOUR version of god."

Term2, you likely are atheist based of your comments and have a real problem with a belief in god. If I am wrong I apologize, but if I am right get over it.

I personally think Atheists are irrational as much so as Scientologist are on the wacky religion spectrum. Someone who god is that there is no god, or there god is an alien race from some other world can be just fine by me. If they want freedom, do not wish to tell me to live my life for them and deny the initiation of any kind of force in society, I can get along with you.

I personally do not know any scientoligest, but know a few athiests. I have met some that I consider friend, even brother. I have met some that wish to force their godlessness on me, and those I lump in the Muslims who think it OK to force me to be Muslim. I see no difference between the two religions if they believe they have the right to force there belief's on me.

I again may be wrong, but your posts show you to be one that believes that athiesm, or at lest some form of godlessness should be forced on everyone. I hope I am wrong, I would rather call you friend.

Michael,

I agree that we should vote against the big government types. however in this election the worst person to get it will be trump. Why do I say that? If the shit hits the fan in the next term and I think it will. Whomever is in is going to get blamed for it. Those three will all make matters worse because they will all attempt to control the situation and fail. If Trump is there, his claim to be for small government will mark a failure on capitalism and small government and we will not see it again in 5 generations at least.

That being said if the choice is either of those two and trump, I will write in Cruz or Gary anyway. I cannot vote for or support those who would destroy what freedom still exists.