Please reread my comment as I did not forget the CFR.

It is funny how this appears to be a manufactured crisis they are just using for something totally different: control.

It is funny how this appears to be a manufactured crisis they are just using for something totally different: control.

Having been in and out of this issue for a long time, and even at one time believing warming was real but that any solution was untenable, it should become clearer to us that the whole present day issue has more to do with a political power grab than anything.

The world has not warmed much, or has not warmed at all in the last 15 years. The extreme weather reports have increased exponentially. And yet, I recall Hurricane Andrew and Katrina before the whole climate change nonsense came into its current incarnation. Those were much worse.

Pollution is awful, let's not kid ourselves. But the global welfare state is not the answer to environmental woes. Property rights are. Extending property rights is the answer. Not deleting them.

If climate change means anything to me, it means political climate change. It means dark ages all over again. And we have to fight it to the fullest because that is our choice.

So true, and the media never tells the whole story. The mainstream never mention Agenda 21. All this primary fuss over Trumps wife, and Cruz's wife gets a pass. She was nominated by someone high up in the World Bank for the CFR. She favors having Canada, US and Mexico, from whence the drugs flow, joined without sovereignty. When Bush was pushing for that, the first inspection of trucks was not to be at the US border with Mexico, but in St Louis! The media never examines this, and gives Ms. Cruz a pass on her stand.

Hey Nick, I like what your saying here and would like to add if the cow fart theory has merit, I'd like to know if the GW folks can explain how the planet managed to survive the days when there were millions of buffalo, caribou, and elk grazing, crapping, and farting all over North America. Of course, there is the politically incorrect answer that the white man arrived, slaughtered the great herds, and saved the planet!

"Like most other pious hypocrites, the climate change people aren't too bright." Reminds me of achieving the goal of less expensive medical care via Obamacare by placing a tax on medical equipment and devices. The real global warming is caused by people's brains overheating trying to reconcile such contradictions.

Another brain warming nagging thought: If the taxpayer funded multi-billion dollar weather service can't accurately predict the weather next week, how in hell are they forecasting for the next century? I figure it must have something to do with planetary alignments in an assortment of constellations.

Yeah, I'm late to this conversation, but this is my 2 cents.

Lots of talk, and no results. Sounds like government...

That is the problem, it is an issue of personal and corporate responsibility, and the fact we have a whole generation of talking heads who do nothing, and when the eyes are turned away, do whatever they want.The fact Mexican government and US allow the drug problem and associated criminal efforts to go on, is just proof of their lack of accountability for what they should be doing. Mexico is still a third world nation emotionally and mentally. We are not a whole lot better, just prettier.

I lived for a time in El Paso, it was lovely. When we visited there over the years it was still nice. However, when the factories started moving across the border and the drug industry grew, I would no long want to live there. The last visit a few years ago, it was so dirty and polluted, it was as if no one cared. I am not talking environmentalist talk, I am talking factories owners who were just irresponsible, and drug lords who cared only for their own profit. The era of no self-responsibility reigns, form the owners and pushers, to those who buy their product.

Indeed, I don't think you are wrong here, in that I agree with your premise it is a complex, multi faceted issue. I do not think any of the screamers, or people seeking to control us, care a damn about the issue itself, just the leverage it provides.I posted another article about the AG's going after Exxon, which is clearly indicative of their power agenda.

Of course it's complex. What drives me bonkers is how people either deny it out of hand, or try to say that emissions flat have NOTHING to do with it, neither of which are true. I truly don't think it's all caused by human activity, but to say it has no effect whatsoever is equally as wrong.

I guess we'll see...

That is a whole nother subject. I am glad you mention it, because there seems to be a lot of commonality between the "evil consipracy theorists" who bashed it, and yet what they say they are out to do is pretty much what we are seeing today: 2 identical parties who seem to have the same agenda, corruption and allegience to some other entity that no one can identify, and seemingly total disregard for national sovriegnty, in addition to a shift to a marxist/socialist agenda (read: dictatorship of the state).

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newwor...

I realize most people question some of these sources, but I found this description of it's goals and methods to be rather disturbingly accurate to what we see. Maybe there is some truth to it.

interesting;;; Thanks! -- j
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Don't forget the CFR council on Foriegn Relations which Cruz's wife belongs to and he gives speaches for

The 'Plot' was derived years ago in late 50's, a government report was leaked with this intel, published in 64' Amazon has book in PDF for about $4 since book is out of publish, VERY damning and a short read, this release back then put a halt to this, of course they waited till most of that generation died off, here they go again,I believe if this gets exposed well showing its been tried before and based on mind control it could be put back in the Rat Hole....

Wanna' understand 'how' they have controlled many? You tube has a documentary called 'State of Mind' be sure you watch the full length verson

I stopped listening to the global warming pundits awhile ago. Climates change all the time and there is plenty of time for people adjust to it

California has had severe droughts in the past that have lasted for 300 years . Certainly man has an effect on the environment and climate. Deforestation , urban heat islands ,asphalt , even auto emissions . The biggest reason for climate change is the big fireball in the sky it is not controlled by a thermostat it has cycles. Those cycles impact the Earths magnetosphere .
In the past the Earth has been very warm and very cold in fact during the last ice age Canada was covered with 2 mile thick ice then the ice melted during dare I say global warming. That was long before Jed Clampett was shooting at some food and up from the ground came some bubbling crude.
While we have been losing ice in the northern hemisphere we have been gaining ice in the Antarctic.
I find the evidence of govt manipulation and the 19 Trillion in debt more threatening.
If you think that there isn't a conspiracy amongst the NWO crowd you should do a little homework.
Start with The Bilderberg Group ,The Bohemian Grove crowd The trilateral commission the council on foreign relations Jekyll island club the federal reserve for starters.

Yea...what he said. It is a hugely complex issue, that is far more than any one thing, and toss in a lot of mother nature on top. Yet, the CC Cabal will render it down to what they want it to be, a simple "if we only stopped...(fill in the bank) it would go away" and it will absolutely not. I would be more concerned about the deforestation of the Amazon, as well as the carbon emissions of various oxides, than CO2, and I am not a climate scientist. It is crappy science pandered by a bunch of self serving corrupt people both in science and politics, manipulating fear and a situation, rather than helping cope with it.

Susanne, I do not doubt for one minute you have seen those issues. Nor that there is not some form of climate change in progress. The point is here, it is not simply because man has allowed too many cow farts, or spewed too much CO2 into the atmosphere. It is a huge combination of circumstances, and any one factor (such as CO2 levels) getting fixed, will not alter the change, or even the rate of change. For example, the great dustbowl of the 1930s had nothing to do with a huge shift in climate, rather it was crappy farming practices, which, when corrected, resolved the majority of problems. Yet if it happened today, the CC cabal would stop shipping fuel to all the Midwest in the name of "saving the planet" and damn the consequences or who they hurt. 2000 years ago there was a land bridge between England and the continent, they have found villages on the seabed proving it. So the oceans have risen at least 10-50 feet in the last 2000 years, and mans fire pits and villages could not have caused it. These are the facts that the CC cabal ignore, they focus on the last 100 years and declare it a disaster, and thus authorization to do whatever they want, take whatever they want, to "save us". All their theft will not bring rain back to California, when all you have is constant increasing demand, and no increase in supply, simple laws of supply and demand tell us that. They do not address the fact that the population of California has doubled or tripled in the last 30 years. They do not want to acknowledge the integral parts of deforestation and loss of the Amazon forest and its effect on global weather. That is why they have no credibility, it is a complex ecosystem, not just a "one fact causes all" scenario.

Indeed, and that was written in the 50's. This has been a long time conspiracy that they have manipulated for their own ends.

And the Justice Department is too busy chasing the Exxon criminals for their evil lies, to ever worry about the Beasts lies. Or felonies, of corruption, or treason. She will get elected (or appointed, as you may see it), and we are stuck until a revolution.

Exactly, they pander to China, because if they piss off China, China just vetoes whatever they don't want. Shanghai is a friggin embarrassment and they claim that they, who as poor China, abused by the evil white man and taken advantage of, is owed their own share of crapping the planet up. All BS. Mexico is no better, companies move their factories there and pollute the crap out of it, and they had to declare an emergency yesterday.