Obamrica

Posted by jyokela 10 years, 11 months ago to Government
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All this separatist talk about Ukraine has got me thinking that I would like America to separate from Obamrica!

America, just say "NO!" to Obamrica!

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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, politics didn't work out. Sadly, with kids still in college and a mortgage to pay off, I'm pretty much stuck. Not willing to unplug, so trying to do what I can to support those that will at least slow things down if not outright change them back around.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    now, there's a contest idea -- summarize AS in 250 pages, with similar impact. oh, wow! I bet that we have such an artist online with us here!!! -- j
    db&khalling, are you listening, too?!
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm feeding it a hell of a lot less than I used to. And will be starving it even more soon... but you hit the point of starving yourself along with it until you can make a better plan happen. What are YOU doing?
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    amen, brother!!! y' know, when I contribute to some charities, I get to select which programs are funded by my $$. not so, with the feds. if the 17th were eliminated, we'd have some more say about this. but 1913's turn-for-the-worse did happen. maybe if I paid them in cash, and put a dye pack in the bag which was sensitive to the smell of progressives? we have scientists who could arrange to sniff out THC ..... -- j
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The differences are more urban vs. non-urban. Look at a political map by county and this will jump out at you. If there is a break-up it is going to be the non-urban areas banding together and cutting off the urban centers.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, those are good. I would prefer Amepobre. Malo is bad, and I don't think that we're necessarily bad - misguided, yes.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While I agree that the fed's won't let any state succeed, I believe that you meant secede.

    Even if the feds would permit secession (and as you state, that is very doubtful) it would likely only be agreed to with a stipulation of a repayment of the population's share of the national debt, currently at over $52k per person. That's over $1.3 Trillion just for Texas.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Doubtful you'd get many readers of a 1000+ page tome. That's one of the biggest drawbacks. If it were only 250 pages, that would be digestible.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If we could break the population centers away from non-urban areas, we could re-balance the congress. As we are today, the population dense cities dictate nearly everything. As Mr. Franklin surmised, we were given a republic. That is not a democracy. We need to stop the "winner takes all" aspects of elections. Let's get back to apportioning by district. That way at least we spread the effects of elections more evenly (since all congressional districts are apportioned to an "equal" population size). This should be our focus - that and removing the 17th Amendment.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But if you are generating income (at least above some level). you are feeding the beast. And if you do nearly anything that is taxed, pay a fee, or fine, you are feeding the beast. And merely by existing, you feed the beast by being a demographic number.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you. I feel the same. Those who think that a plot device will work in real life are fooling themselves. Allowing the collapse will not lead to a rebirth, it will lead to decades (and my fear is centuries) of serfdom.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The non-homogeneousness of states you cite is called Balkanization - and it is happening in Europe big time and you can see it in the US between the cities and the non-urbanized areas.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Must have all the right resources for that to work or else it equals starvation. Plus, I will be homeschooling my grandson. :)
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I will be mentally isolating myself from those who I will leave alone. Reason is not for everyone after all. I am taking my motor and walking away. :)
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wouldn't exactly call that shrugging, but I'm with you heart and soul. I don't care what you call it, but if we could get 10% of the population to do that, we could change the world in a generation.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lol. Shrugging in the way of removing my talents from feeding the beast that's trying to kill me and mine. Staying productive in a way that works against their agenda to destroy. Not off the grid, but busy building and planning and educating those worth the effort. I have a lot to do. Getting people to think is hard work and so is stopping evil. I will no longer be their cog.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    How can you be effective if you don't participate? Unless you mean that by shrugging you are not actually hiding out in a hard to find location but are still part of humanity but in a different capacity than is usual. Otherwise, you've got me stumped.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yessir! I have the lexicon here at the desk! (oddly, it's the only Rand book I have here!) it's good.
    I particularly like Jenny Beth Martin of TPPatriots, and hope that they keep traction into the future.
    Let's Keep The Faith, regardless of our faith, or not! (keep the confidence?) -- j
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Probabilities, possibilities.
    You are thinking productively, thank you. By the way, I haven't seen a great book mentioned in the Gulch that has the A.R. answer to every argument anyone can give you. I do recommend, however, not to bother with died-in-the-wool libs, but fence sitters and seekers should be the goal. The book is the Ayn Rand Lexicon edited by Harry Binswanger. What a great resource! I don't know if it's still in print, but if it isn't, a good idea might be to try to get it reprinted. It was published in 1986 by NAL Penguin, Inc. 1633 Broadway NYC 10019.
    As to the Tea Party, those folks are worth working with Some are misguided, but when I communicate with some of them, they seem inclined to listen, learn and read.
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