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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    First time (OBC) was 7/85 to 10/85 and the second (OAC and then an instructor for OBC) was 2/89 through 11/90, so doesn't look like we overlapped.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years, 11 months ago
    You beat me to this!

    I suspect this man is very shrewd. What he may be trying to do is set legal precedence that would be used for or against legal gay marriage when its argued in the courts. Either that or he's one seriously strange cookie.
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  • Posted by skidance 10 years, 11 months ago
    By definition, a contract is an agreement between two parties. Therefore, there can be no "contract" between a person and a non-consenting, non-participating animal or inanimate object.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 10 years, 11 months ago
    If marriage is defined as a civil union, it them becomes inclusive of any consenting beings. Then the argument of marrying a computer or pet is void because they can't consent.
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  • Posted by RobertFl 10 years, 11 months ago
    How do we know if this guys computer is actually consenting to allow him to have sex all over it. He is opening his computer up to all kinds of digitally transmitted diseases against its will.
    What does the mouse think of this?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True. Which would nullify any "marriages" between inanimate objects or beings not competent to understand the contract. Solving the problem.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When were you in Ft. Bliss? I was there from 8/86 though 12/87. Then shipped to Germany for 4 years. Yes, I remember hearing about those shows.

    I do not find the idea of some very liberal state legalizing bestiality hard to believe. Heck I wouldn't be surprised if one of those states legalized pedophilia. I would be completely disgusted but not surprised. I honestly believe it is only a matter of time before something like that is floated as acceptable.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, then they shouldn't cross that state line.

    I doubt that bestiality would garner approval status from any state level political body anytime soon. That said, again, those who desire to participate in such behavior, even though illegal, I'm sure are able to do so. Heck, when I was in the army and stationed down at Ft. Bliss the donkey shows in Juarez were infamous.

    But as I said, the issue comes about by proffering benefits on those that the state has deemed worthy. Take that away and handle the legal and financial issues via contract. That puts everyone on the same footing.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While I agree.

    I have to point out that there are relationships that while they are accepted today that would have been illegal in the past and if we allow states to define these relationships as they see fit. Some of those relationships will be illegal when people cross state borders. I can imagine some state making it legal to marry an animal and another state maintaining the current legal definition of bestiality. So if that couple crossed the border they would then be subject to arrest and whatever penalty is set forth.
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  • Posted by $ stargeezer 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, marriage is a religious contract and ceremony depicting the coming union between Christ and the church in heaven. Which is exactly why gays have been pushing to have "marriage" recognized. Next up will be a move to force churches to preform these marriages or fact the lose of their tax exemption status.

    Currently pastors across the country have been warned by the IRS and legal counsel that they cannot speak about politics from their pulpit and in a few states like CA, speaking from the pulpit against homosexuals can be considered a hate crime. Business are being forced to provide services even when the religious beliefs of the owners demand that they not.

    Soon the religious ceremony of marriage will mean nothing anyway and since this clod's sexual "Friend" (the current level of tolerance demanded for a marriage) is his computer - why not?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Contract law. The only problem comes about when you identify "benefits" that apply to something called "marriage." Take away the benefits, and require the participants to create their own contract with all terms identified for all parties, and there's nothing left to cause an issue.

    As it is today, there's nothing to prevent any number of people living together and engaging in whatever relationships they choose to. The only issue is with a legal stamp of approval on such. Remove the stamp and leave people be to choose what is right for them.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with both of your points.

    Though I have to wonder how states would address different definitions of marriage. For instance say Texas defines marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman and California defines marriage as between anyone or anything or any number of them at any age. They get married in California and then later move to Texas, some of the possibilities from California would be illegal without even addressing the marriage issue.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    For what purpose? Please find for me the passage in the US Constitution where marriage is an enumerated power? Since it is not, then it belongs at the state level, if at all.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And the solution is so very simple. Eliminate marriage as a federal issue. Let the states handle it. But, giving up power is not something that our federal politicians are ever going to do.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A civil union is nothing more than a contract, which should be acceptable to all. Marriage is a government defined contract and anyone accepting such on it's face is a fool. You are open to an entity outside of yourself with different objectives and priorities redefining the contractual terms without your consent.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly. I have mentioned to a gay friend that the problem isn't really the people who cast a vote for Prop 8 here in California - it's the fact that we all have to go to the government to get a license to wed.
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  • Posted by barwick11 10 years, 11 months ago
    mmhmm... I said this long long ago, when this whole "gay marriage" thing came out.

    Why can't I marry my horse? Why can't I marry 18 people? Why can't my horse and my dog get married? Etc...

    Government just redefining a legal term(marriage) on a whim is yet another sign of the stupidity of our nation

    The Government shouldn't be recognizing "marriage" at all. They can recognize civil unions at whatever level (if they're given the authority to do so, which is zero at the Federal level), but not marriage.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 10 years, 11 months ago
    They will continue to redefine marriage until anyone at any age can marry anyone or anything with any number of spouses that they desire. Their goal is simple, they want to destroy all vestiges of the "Traditional" lifestyle.
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  • Posted by robertmbeard 10 years, 11 months ago
    This is why the government should not be mixed up in the business of licensing marriages and providing tax-favored treatment. All unmarried individuals desiring tax breaks will seek an unending redefinition of marriage to realize their primary goal...
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Precisely. Marriage isn't a constitutionally authorized power. At least not at the federal level (it is actually in the Wisconsin state constitution).
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