To vote or not to vote. Oh my!

Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 11 months ago to Politics
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My first choice is Gary Johnson, but he does not have a chance of winning. My second and third choices, (Rand Paul & Ben Carson), are out of the race. I am left with Ted Cruz or Donald Trump. Cruz is probably the better of the two as far as being a more "Constitutional" candidate, but I just do not think he will be the winner. Donald Trump scares me about his world trade positions and his immature temper. He may land us right into another major war. So, it might be better to vote my conscience instead of for the only candidate who can win. Or maybe sit this one out. What you going to do?

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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But the $1b is from the donations- so its worth $1b+ to them in political favors
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  • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    More to the point, it tells us that the job really pays at least $1B -- and the rest comes from sources other than salary. Investigate the financial affairs of any of our last dozen presidents and you can see where.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I should append that I'm assuming the money grubber approach is from a legitimate libertarian supporter and not just some shill of the left. I may be doing the Libertarians a disservice. however I had the same feeling about the US Military upholding it's oath of office and was fooled. and the same now with the GOP Rules Committee. hard to believe any ray of hope these days but the send money approach really convinced me not to do something that foolish.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There's a thought since we are no longer under Constitutional rule thanks to our Congress and current president what's to stop any state from simply leaving? Other than guns.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Me gustaria enviarle un mensaje privado, pero no soy "producer". Así, no es posible. He visitado Chile y me parece un lugar bueno.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Change AH to DT and JS to Hillary Clinton and it's pretty accurate.

    The choice of Johnson or NOTA depends on the State and it's winner take all rules. Much different when your vote is not going to be stolen and given to the leftists. We'll have to see if the GOP Rules Committee does as they said they are going to do.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Votes with Mickey mouse may be a true sentiment but in many places they cause the whole ballot to be rejected except in winner take all states where the vote is award to the one you didn't want.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    JJJ you have stated the first coherent and worth while reason to vote for Trump. He's more entertaining. Much more well stated than the money grubbers. i would suspect his administration would make going gulch by going expat much easier as his own gang is in the same situation. extra point for you.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I went south of the border for a number of reasons. Thriving expat community is one of them. It's a good place to take a breather and research other destinations while your mmm transferring certain belongings shall we say.
    usa mesaje privado por mas informacion.

    Gracias
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    playing stupid are we. The more I read your comments the more I'm convinced one of two things is occurring . They aren't worth supporting or and what is more likely your a shill for the left and using the secular progressive method of redefining and reframing - poorly.
    Stupid is as stupid does...no dollars for you.

    but as it happens I don't have to contribute through the do nothing party...I can and have been contributing directly to Johnson. But that too is coming to a halt as they NOTA method stands a better chance.

    Try reframing again....you aren't very good at it.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and those free trips to foreign lands in a private 747. The state dinners, the fancy parties, and the adulation that you get as president. Its kind of disgusting that we are paying for all that
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  • Posted by editormichael 8 years, 11 months ago
    So if Adolf Hitler was running against Josef Stalin and only Gary Johnson was opposing them, you would hesitate because "he does not have a chance of winning"?
    That is not, pardon me, very rational.
    As I said elsewhere, voting is like shooting people. Generally wrong, but sometimes one must act in self-defense.
    Not voting is not even trying to defend yourself.
    And so is not voting for the Libertarian Party candidate, whether Gary Johnson or someone else. (Except, perhaps, in 2008.)
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is becoming incoherent. You seem to be advancing the proposition that the Republican Rules Committee is going to do something anti-Trump at the Convention. What exactly do you think they are going to do and why do you believe they are going to do it? Since this is your theory, you have the burden. Please explain what you are talking about. I have no idea what you are saying about the Libertarian Party. Precisely what is it that they should be doing right now in your view?
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We will definitely see shortly. I dont think it can be worse than Obamacare however. My insurance premiums tripled and my max out of pocket went up by 6s and my deductible by 2.5x
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  • Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But he is going to replace it, not abolish it. I doubt Trumpcare will be different than Obamacare.
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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Votes for Mickey Mouse or John Galt do not usually count unless Mickey or John has filed with your state.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If he does, it will be less than Hildebeast or Sanders. All that is required is to abolish Obamacare. My healthcare was a LOT cheaper and better before Obamacare.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the pathological liar stuff really applies more to standard politicians than Trump though. The whole process of getting elected is really bad though. Any process that spends $1b to elect someone for a $400k job has GOT to be flawed somehow.
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Haven't decided yet. Both my wife and I can do quite well in Spanish, so that increases the number of places we can go. We'll probably have it all figured out by November.
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