To vote or not to vote. Oh my!

Posted by ycandrea 8 years, 11 months ago to Politics
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My first choice is Gary Johnson, but he does not have a chance of winning. My second and third choices, (Rand Paul & Ben Carson), are out of the race. I am left with Ted Cruz or Donald Trump. Cruz is probably the better of the two as far as being a more "Constitutional" candidate, but I just do not think he will be the winner. Donald Trump scares me about his world trade positions and his immature temper. He may land us right into another major war. So, it might be better to vote my conscience instead of for the only candidate who can win. Or maybe sit this one out. What you going to do?


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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The GOP is a marketing business, not a part of our election process. Its purpose is maintenance of power and the collection of money. Trump basically hijacked the GOP by getting popular votes- and to hell with the establishment. No wonder they hate him !! But the GOP was pretty much bankrupt in terms of principles. They were selling Coke, and the democrats were selling Pepsi- both sugar water with essentially no difference.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 11 months ago
    I'll vote for Trump for two reasons and neither of them are why we should vote. First, I'm for Trump because of those who are against him. Second, one of them is going to be elected and Trump will be more interesting and entertaining than the Hildebeast. I've read Trumps positions and have no problem with what he says he will do. If he does, good. If he doesn't, in the long run (we are all dead) it won't matter.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, which is why I too am voting for Trump. He will improve foreign relations, stop wasting so much money on things we dont need, be at least more fiscally responsible, wont raise taxes, and will expose the nonsense going on in government today for us all to see (as he has done with the GOP primary process). And- he is totally against political correctness as a basis for controlling us.
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  • Posted by $ SarahMontalbano 8 years, 11 months ago
    Although I'm sure you read some news, if you hadn't heard Cruz dropped out yesterday so your choices aren't even that diverse. I would personally vote for Gary Johnson or sit it out, if I had the chance. I wouldn't vote for Trump or Hillary, since I think they're equally bad.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not voting IS a vote for Hillary unfortunately when it comes down to it. If you dont want Hillary and the establishment, you need to vote for Trump.
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  • Posted by $ CBJ 8 years, 11 months ago
    In every presidential election, people are told that they are “wasting their vote” if they vote for the Libertarian candidate.

    As one who has voted for every Libertarian presidential candidate since 1972, I think the exact opposite is true. By voting for my principles, my votes over the years have had far more impact than if I had allowed the two “establishment” parties to dictate my choices.

    Consider this: no matter how you have voted for President in the past, your vote has never made a difference in the outcome. Nor will it do so in the future. Even if you live in a “swing state” that could go either way, your lone vote will not spell the difference between victory and defeat for either establishment party candidate.

    So if you can’t change the election outcome, why vote at all? The answer is that by voting Libertarian, you will be adding to the vote totals of the only party that consistently supports individual freedom. And those vote totals matter – the establishment parties pay close attention when a significant number of voters break with the two-party system, and they will often modify their stands on certain issues to protect their base and prevent further defections.

    On the other hand, if you vote for the “lesser of two evils,” you are saying in effect, “I support the political status quo. I have faith in the two-party system, and I’m not interested in supporting candidates from other parties, even if they have fresh ideas that I agree with. I don’t like either of the two establishment party candidates, but I will vote for Establishment Party Candidate X because he is not quite as bad as Establishment Party Candidate Y.” This truly is a waste of your vote, and does nothing to advance the cause of freedom.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
    I agree with you assessment, except for the "dangers" of Trump. I think he is a lot more calculating and reasonable when in business meetings (he would have to be to get where he is). He will get great advisors and close government employees, as he has done in his business. He would be less likely to get us into a major war because other countries will respect him and us, and dont really want to get into a war anyway. Trump would be MORE likely to get into a phone conversation with Putin to settle something than Hillary or definitely Cruz.

    I say Trump would be better than Hillary, and has a chance to beat her.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's under NOTA for None of the above. Or CW for Consent Withdrawn. The only way to win the game is don't play. Unitil voting becomes a felony level requirement.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nice try he's a left wing socialist corporatist

    We have yet to hear any vision of Trump's except how to line his own pockets.
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  • Posted by jeffdhurley1 8 years, 11 months ago
    It seems that, upon deeper reading and study , that Trump may be the most Objectiveist Candidate in years . Goes against accepted theory and risks all based on his own personal belief that his way is the "right way" ( Roark?) . started working in his business as a young man doing middle income apartments in his dad's admittedly successful firm growing it massively from its smaller roots in Queens to an world wide player ..with his name emblazoned on it all because it is unashamedly "His" ( Reardon?) . Refuses to let his personal life be used to coerce him to knuckle under to the leeches by openly admitting to his personal foibles (Reardon cannot coerce an honest man ) . He hires arguable the very best people and pays them accordingly based on there value and refuses those who say they should be hired for any other reason . He deals with the looters and leeches ( mafia , Govt ,...wait I repeat myself ) as he has to to drive his vision ahead ... Does not live his life for the sake of anyone else only for his own sake while supporting those that add value to his own life .... His projected opponent has lived off the Govt. dole pretty much her entire life . asking for alms with the vapid weepy eyes of the victim demanding that we "give" to her because she deserves it after all she was not born rich , she was not born a man in a patriarchal society , she did not marry money she left the white house broke . WE must give... money or votes not based on her merits but because she is the victim... who did not have the advantages of her opponent.... and to not do so makes us less human.. because we want what we have worked and sacrificed for when so many others deserve it more ..Who do we really stand for at this point a producer ....by any measure we choose... or a looter
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  • Posted by ChuckyBob 8 years, 11 months ago
    My wife has always been of the mindset that here is better than anywhere else. Last night that mindset was shocked by the Cruz announcement. We will probably be out of the country around the first of next year. I will also be investigating how to legally move my money and investments out of the country. I have lost faith in the American populace.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Now that is the shortest pro left argument I've yet read. Voting for one left wing socialist is a vote for the other left wing socialist? Fuzzy......

    Vote NOTA
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    Anyone is better that Clinton or Sanders. Too bad it has to be Trump. It is possible that he could at the very least slow down the slide toward oblivion. Therefore, I will vote and even though I'm sure my arthritis will act up, I'll vote for Trump.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 8 years, 11 months ago
    Yep, but voting cannot be the answer. Frankly, I can't name any person in America who might turn the tide. Unless I learn that Dissolution is on the ballot, I see no "hope" in bothering to vote.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
    Cruz quit before waiting to find out the verdict from the Rules Committee on Winner Take All Votes. that finally establishes him as a RINO not a Republican. The only reason to do that is, like all good little Rinos, follow the script liek a good little leftists.

    Well at least we found that out for sure.

    I'm going back to none of the Above and continuing to help increasing the unrepresented 46-50% of the eligible voters who have turned their backs on rigged and closed elections and have turned their backs on left wing socialism.

    My oath of office is and was to the Constitution not to the writings of Marx and Engels or Adolf and company.

    The rest of you congratulation for a well runr revolution you have only to pick a new flag for the USSA and move July Fourth to May First.

    As a 24 year retired veteran I cannot go back on my oath of office at this late juncture and really don't care which of the two gets to be Premier.

    240 years was however 40 year past the average.

    I'll wait until the real breakup starts.. you realize that by circle filing the Constitution there is no legal reason for any State or States to remain.

    Now I'm sure some of the leftists who wish to use the patina of our former status as a way to continue fooling the public will cry foul. I do not care. Just remember the new rule is ' arrest is a matter of mere suspicion and carries no rights for the individual arrested. Not since your congress and President change the Bill of Rights .

    A breakup of the former USA? Now that I would like to see."
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  • Posted by starznbarz 8 years, 11 months ago
    If you dont vote for McCain, we ll get Obama...If you dont vote for Romney, we ll get Obama...If you dont vote for Trump, well get Hillary... We are going to get the result deserved by a Nation that is too lazy to tend its own employees.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 8 years, 11 months ago
    It, truly, broke my heart to hear that Ted Cruz pulled the plug. The way I see it...all of the "good" people are now gone and we're left with "the lesser of two evils". This is so typical of elections in this country, especially the part about how the Pacific Northwest doesn't even get a chance to factor in, with their primaries.

    I will NOT vote for Clinton or Sanders. However, I can't bring myself to vote for Trump(et). He reminds me of the bullies who routinely beat me up in elementary school and I refuse to support him on those grounds alone.

    I am going to vote, right or wrong, but I won't vote for any of the existing candidates unless I discover an compelling reason to vote for The Donald. At this point, the only thing that might make me reconsider is if Cruz threw his support behind Trump. Unless that were to happen, it looks like a "write-in" candidate for me, regardless of what people say about it being a vote for Hillary. At least, I will be able to live with my conscience.
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  • Posted by ohiocrossroads 8 years, 11 months ago
    Scott Walker was my first choice, and he dropped out early.
    Then I chose Ted Cruz, and he dropped out yesterday.
    Trump is not the wild-eyed crazy the mainscream press try to portray him as, but his policy positions have been few and far between, and are fairly incoherent. I don't understand why the Republican establishment doesn't like him. They have spent the last two elections looking for a candidate that can win in the Northeast. All he needs to do is buy them off, and they'll fall in line.
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