Check Your Privilege Holocaust Survivors

Posted by khalling 10 years, 11 months ago to Culture
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I am not a tweeter by habit-but this is ridiculous (MSNBC). My favorite retweet-they got free healthcare and all!


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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nationalism with a capital "N." It isn't just a word. It refers to a specific ideology. Specially, the ideology of racial supremacy and apartheid. Go read up on Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd and the Nationalist Party of South Africa if you want more detailed information.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, the early American colonists certainly could have treated the Native Americans better.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    An invasion is an action which can only be preformed by a military force with government backing. Citizens who cross the border on their own is not invasion, regardless of whether they retain their own culture or not.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Borders exist only to determine which government has authority in a given geographical area. Their purpose should never be to keep people out, at least not in a free nation.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not an anarchist, although I suppose you could say that I take an anarchistic approach to the issue of immigration. I believe there should be no laws or regulations whatsoever in regards to immigration.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Assuming that differences always hold true for every single individual is very much privilege.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is no characteristic which is exclusive to either sex. There are only characteristics which are more prevalent in one sex than the other. So to a certain extent, the feminists are right (at least the more moderate ones -- the TERFs and the RADFEMS tend to take things to an irrational extreme). Think of two over-lapping bell curves, and you'll have a pretty good picture of the concept.
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  • Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Apparently asking people to provide sources for their data is frowned upon...?
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    Posted by Maphesdus 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, the term he used was "the power of whiteness," which doesn't quite carry the same meaning as "white power." It's closer to "white privilege." And I interpreted his comment as meaning the person who talked about their relatives being Holocaust survivors had white privilege, not that his relatives did.

    It should also be noted that many people in Latin America also attempt to immigrate to America in order to flee oppressive conditions in their home countries, but are blocked from doing so due to the current immigration policies of the United States, which weren't in place when Jews were fleeing Europe during WWII. There's a documentary called "Harvest of Empire" which goes into great detail about this:

    Harvest of Empire Trailer:
    http://vimeo.com/48145023

    Harvest of Empire Website:
    http://harvestofempiremovie.com/
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well evl this is the point. The MSNBC host was in an immigration discussion. Someone responded that their relatives, Holocaust survivors, were able to somehow emigrate to the US legally, implying that great hardship often is why people leave their country in the first place. The host replied the survivors had "white power." It 's absurd and intended to be divisive and drum up false guilt.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 10 years, 11 months ago
    I am having a hard time deciphering this story. I guess the twitter garbage is too short for an old dude like me to follow what the heck is intended by the post. I cant understand if the poster is being serious, the devils activist or what. No wonder young people are so vapid if they all communicate this way.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We did a demo for a start up lab across from McArthur Park in LA. When we got to the Patient ID, we innocently suggested that the SSAN could be used...and the whole BoD broke out laughing. When they had regained their composure and apologized (they were quite remorseful at their own discourtesy) they asked if we had seen the prior week's "60 minutes" show which apparently indicated that 'this corner' (ie 'where the clinic was') was the place to go in LA to get your SSAN card. Everybody in that district had one of a set of five or six SSAN.

    This was the lab that also taught me about prejudice and glass ceilings. Most of the Latino techs working there were very bright - I suspect that they might have been doctors under other circumstances. One of them, the microbiologist, spoke some English and was working his way through college...he might even have made it through the glass ceiling.

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ha! This is amusing. I do martial arts for a hobby (as I have mentioned before). The first time I encounter a new fighter, he tends to...uh...slightly underestimate my abilities*. He either casually walks in to 'take me out' or he holds back so that he does not hurt me. After I clobber him a few times, he gets all better and we settle down to some nice fighting. (Over the years I have noticed that the ones who initially held back for fear of hurting me are generally the nicer people to be around.)

    So there is an answer to the problem of sexism: smack'upside the head with a stick a few times and recalibrate their world view.

    Jan
    *(unless someone has warned him)
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, "caucasian-Americans" remind me of a science fiction book I read a long time ago, called "Highwood".

    A couple of anthropologists are studying an alien culture on another planet. The planet grows trees miles high, and the aliens live along the tree branches and in the trunks.

    What makes the aliens worth studying is that they are the most extremely sexist species imaginable. Literally, the males live on their side as homosexuals, and the females live on their side as lesbians. To cross the line would result in a very... very ugly death. Once a year or so, they'd be forced to get together to make babies, and for those who participated, that was the end of their sex lives. They became untouchables.

    So, one day the male anthropologist, we'll call him Hamby Flagg because that was his name, saw something he shouldn't have seen and lived to talk about. A messenger had come from another tree (to each tribe, there was no world beyond their own tree); his hair was plucked out and he was quite dead.

    So all the Lemmits (the aliens) went on a forced trek... and they came to where one of the trees was about to collapse. The Lemmits being studied pushed the members of the other tribe off the branches one by one. And then the other tree collapsed.

    Because they had witnessed this, the humans were not permitted to return to the tree. They were blocked from going higher in the tree (which they needed to do to be retrieved), and had to go down down the tree to the ground level.

    Where they discovered the cause of the trees' deaths... working for thousands of years, a race of giants were trying to cut down each tree with stone tools.

    Running from these creatures, the humans stumbled upon the ruins of a civilization.

    They escape and climb up another tree to be rescued.

    The Lemmits had kept the giants as slaves, and one day there was a rebellion and the Lemmits were driven to the trees. Their guilt was so great, that they committed genocidal-suicide. They were slowing dying off, hundreds of generations later, with no one on either side remembering the reasons for the hate or the guilt each subsequent generation still felt.

    Yes, caucasian-Americans remind me of that, because I see them, driven by a guilt I don't feel, destroying everything they built in the name of an unassuageable, phantom guilt.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll be glad to know that cultural success and associated numbers in a region makes hash of Objectivism. What you're suggesting is no different from 99%ers advocating the unjust persecution of the wealthy. Well, it's worse. It's saying that persecution is okay if it doesn't involve death camps and if there are more than six million of the persecuted classification.

    Let me tell you a story you won't like (don't worry, I won't be vulgar).

    I guess I understand human nature better than most people, because I don't blind myself to the "dark side". I guess that, because I see things coming decades before pretty much everybody else. So I get to spend decades being derided and insulted... until it's too late.

    Back in the 1970s, might have been earlier, you started seeing black, male celebrities start complaining about the term "boy" being applied to adult black men. I thought this reasonable.
    In movies like, "In the Heat of the Night" (I think that was one of them) it was made a propaganda issue.

    I thought at the time, "Fine, black, adult men shouldn't be called boy. But, I'll be damned if I'll let them start calling ME 'boy' in reparation..."

    Not more than a few years later, you started hearing, in movies and television shows, at first applied to teenaged white males, "white boy". In recent years, although unmistakably mature physically, I've been referred to as "white boy", without an eyebrow being raised. This was long after seeing it used in movies, television, advertising...

    The point being, perhaps the Jewish people should have raised hell about being persecuted before their wealth was stripped from them and they were herded off to death camps?

    So, you keep sneering at the idea of Caucasians and Christians being persecuted while the persecution is still in its embryonic stage. But then remain silent when the death camps first appear as re-education camps.

    At least the death camps of WWII weren't run by Jews...
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not confusing the issue. Maph said "ALL MEANS". That means that terrorists, bank robbers, rapists, drug pushers, car thieves can come and go as they please.

    Let's apply this open border rule Maph wants to apply to the country to... say.. your house...


    There's an old story, dunno if it's true, about a border patrol agent. Every weekend, he'd see this guy drive his white Cadillac into Mexico. The guy just... looked suspicious. He knew the guy was up to something.

    He'd stop the guy and search his car top to bottom, search the guy, his baggage... nothing.

    Years later, the border patrol agent retired. He took a vacation to a small seaside Mexican town, and there, sitting at a cafe, was the Cadillac man.

    So the agent sits down beside him and says, "I don't know if you remember me, but years ago, I was a border patrol agent. Every weekend you'd come down to Mexico and I'd search your car. I was *certain* you were smuggling something, but, man you sure beat me."

    The other man smiled and said, "I was smuggling something. I was smuggling white Cadillacs..."
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's not true.

    You need an SS number to get a job, too. This is why "identity theft" has been one of the fastest growing crimes.

    They don't need SSN to use the emergency room, and they buy and "creatively acquire" SSN, driver licenses and other required documentation.

    I know, I used to sit and eat lunch listening to illegals trade recipes on ways of milking the system...
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A club? Seriously?? You're going to try splitting that hair?

    It has courthouses; it has businesses; it has utilities. It has homes It's not a club, it's a community. An extended tribe.

    Why would a "club" be any more righteous in controlling who enters a region under their control than a nation?
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, what I am saying it is absurd to take the online meme, ‘check your privilege’ that was first blurted by a social-justice blogger in 2003 and try to wrap it coherently in a psychological-driven force at play deep within the subconscious of homo-sapiens.
    I’ll be damn if I will be impressed with a social movement that got it’s origins most likely from a late-night of reefer-smoking and Cheetos crunching.

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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course it exists, it's called biology and experience, and it can be both negative and positive depending on context. Common sense might help.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're confusing a tyrannical government with tyrannical immigration policy. If they allow immigration by some criterion, then that is their right. The fact that they don't allow emigration is definitely tyrannical.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    On another post we could be having the conversation regarding the persecution of jewish people historically wordwide. I guess white trumps that? I'll let Mel Gibson know
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you have any concept of sovereignty? Being a sovereign nation, any nation thus has the right to control its borders. This is analogous to an individual having property rights to their land. They have the right to control who is allowed to violate their property boundaries. Similarly a nation (which is the aggregate of the citizens of that nation) has the right to control who is allowed to violate the national boundaries.
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