Legends say China began in a great flood. Scientists just found evidence that the flood was real.

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago to Science
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Interesting. Tales of floods are universal, but after listening to Magicians of the Gods, and the discussion of the Younger DRyas period and the cuase of it being aa cometary impact at 12.6 BC and another that ended it at 9.6 through global warming caused by ocean impacts and the resulting water vapor http://clouds.It shows that a lot of the tales told around the world as "myth" usually end up as having a basis in fact.


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  • Posted by Dobrien 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree the event occurred in the blinK of an eye,
    The old theory: it was thought that repeated breaking of icedams produced the gouging. The geological evidence shows that the water was 800 feet high flowing at 60 -70 mph. The meteor explosion is estimated to be equal to ten million megatons or 1000 times all combined arsenal's of nuclear weapons stockpiled. The comet broke apart like the Shoemaker Levi comet in 1992 that hit Jupiter in numerous spots. 2 large 3-4 kilometer pieces hit the 2 mile thick ice sheet in What is now Canada , instantly melting enormous amounts of ice. The space rocks hit the Atlantic Ocean causing huge tsunami's then Europe and finally the mid- east. Because it happened when the earth had a much lower sea level the flooding covered many coastal areas never to be seen again.
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes HBD. As they should be.
    Humanity needs to stop assigning supernatural significance to purely natural phenomena.
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I've said before, that is only further proof that religious myths, and especially those that wrote them, are lies based upon small truths. The biggest lies are the conclusions drawn from them about their causes and the way we should change our thinking and actions as a result.
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is evidence that the majority of land has been underwater, yes. Not that it all happened at the same time or that it was the result of a global flood.
    Great flood myths are far more likely to be over dramatizations of a local people living through localized natural events that appear to affect their entire world. It is accidental hyperbole due purely to their ignorance. They believe this event to be global as a result of their lack of actual global experience or knowledge.
    When you say "all cultures," I would challenge that purely on its universal conclusion. I'm sure I can find one example, without trying very hard, which disproves your theory. Even adapting your phrase to mean "most cultures" can be easily explained away as ignorant primitives believing the entire world was only what they could see up to the horizon, and when all of what they have ever experienced in their natural lives is flooded in a purely natural (and globally speaking a fairly mundane event), they conclude that they whole planet was subsumed and that they must have angered their particular deity.
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This article says that an earthquake cause one river to have a flood that covered an area up to 2000 miles long. It says nothing about a single event that covered the globe. If anything, it's only further supports the idea that the biblical story is a giant load of hogwash. This kind of revelation does not "rewrite history" apart from the (relatively) very small portion of the earth in which it occurred. The fact that the biblical "great flood" can be easily explained by such a natural phenomenon only further indicates that the Ark story is a lie. This wasn't God's retribution upon a wicked planet that wiped out all humans and most animals except for a few good people... It sounds more likely to be a short-lived, isolated, natural event that certainly caused some sort of destruction and was given supernatural significance and global scoped due purely to the ignorance of those involved.
    Basically it can only further prove that religious texts and mythology are collections of ignorant falsehoods, not that small pieces of truth and semi-divine revelations can be found in them. To believe the latter would be to praise the flat-earthers as enlightened for acknowledging that there is an earth at all.

    The point we should all be taking from this, in my opinion, is that religion is a product of ignorance. Just as Rand suggested... Religion is merely a primitive form of philosophy.
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  • Posted by Hot_Black_Desiato 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Was neither objection nor praise. Just fact, like stating the Sun will rise in the morning and set at night.

    Neither good nor bad, just fact.

    Comment was more of a "Rolling my eyes again"//
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Uh, yes, you are indeed correct. I should have had a "k" in there. This is actually data driven, science based theory that does explain what happened, and also raises the whole "it's all about CO2" stuff question as to validity.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Go look at the Younger Dryas impact studies for the reasons for the scab lands and gorge. It is proven through a worldwide distribution of nano diamonds and carbon sphericals that can only be produced by one, as well as explaining where all the water came from and why it was only a few weeks in duration, yet did so much damage.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am not deeply versed in math at that level, or physics, but the Younger Dryas model relies on the second impact at 9600 BC to generate huge amounts of water vapor, causing an insulatory effect raising temperatures 8 degrees C in 10 years, melting all the ice sheets and raising sea level 300 feet. This is what submerges the land bridges between Alaska and Russia, England and France, as well as the whole subcontinent of Suna creating the gazillion islands in Indonesia.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed a viable theory, it needs to be correlated with the Younger Dryas data, and then maybe can be modeled sufficiently well to present a factual, plausible model. It would fit in with David Ballard's Black Sea research as well.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Carl, go look up Younger Dryas impact event. The data is impeccable for a large impact event 10,800 BC, with a repeat at 9600 BC. Caused the floods and the ice aged seen in between.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Term, and what happens if whatever cause those floods is something that can re-occur, and because academics are too busy fighting to keep turf, and the governments do not want "panic", no one is doing anything to detect and prevent the next event? Remember, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    John, the point is that myths are developed as a way of passing data down long periods where written forms are suspect to destruction, such as the Library of Alexandria. Th have a huge number of myths with the same basic format, dismissed as "religious hogwash" and there for, ignored, limits our understanding of history and our world. I am pointing out that something previously considered a "story", does indeed have a basis in fact. That does not mean every myth has a "it really happened this way" approach, it means there is probably a kernal of truth to it behind the story. The flood myth so prevalent, seems to have a basis of fact in the Younger Dryas event, which also was a huge flood and mini ice age, and is clearly described in a lot of myths. Yet there are still mainstream academics who fight this tooth an nail, because it will completely rewrite history,
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thank you, my point exactly. We can learn from them and use them as points for more investigation, yielding better data.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    John, it is factual data, which we all appreciate here, beyond just this point. The point I am making with this is that we, as open minded, objective thinkers, should question everything, examine the data, look at the facts and not buy into whatever the pontificates tell us. Much as the government blows BS up the sheeple butts, we should be the objective, factual naysayers if that is what truth tells us. Please go look at the data supporting the Younger Dryas comet impact, and the associated results on civilization, and how the myths all reflect what was, indeed, real events. I am not offering myths as proof, simply that myths have a basis in fact and should not be dismissed as muddle headed thinking, but of a way to pass data down long term dark periods.
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  • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Doc, go look up Younger Dryas and look at the science behind it. It is unassailable in showing that a comet impact event occured around 10,800 BC, and the evidence is mounting for sea impacts at about 9600 BC to be the cause for the sudden warming. Such an event dovetails perfectly with the change in sea level of 300 feet about then, the submergence of all the low lying land, as well as the mysterious megalith momentum found off Okinawa, which would have been seaside property then. I would think you could appreciate the unassailable logic the data presents. The bigger picture is what caused it may well be lurking and is an ongoing threat every 1200 years or so.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cosmic Xray events, atmospheric compression events coming at a time when the magnetic shield is weak makes a deluge of atmospheric river events on a world wide basis more than possible...it's really not far fetched.
    Didn't archeologist's find sea creatures in particular layers of land sediment, stone, etc., like in Utah and area's like that?

    The biblical story is probably accurate...except for pagan non-conscious bicameral man's account of why it happened...you see, just like modern day liberals...they always think some entity is pissed off at mankind...not even considering that it is a natural event.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Shouldn't that have been '12600 BC and another that ended it at 9600 BC' rather than '12.6 BC and another that ended it at 9.6 BC' which would give better dates that might actually be within what was the Younger Dryas.
    When the temperature rose at the end of the last glaciation there were some periods where the temperature dipped sharply suddenly, one such period was the Younger Dryas period. Then the temperature had risen sharply with a slow long term decrease for thousands of years after that with today's temperatures being lower than several thousand years ago and probably are lower than those of the Roman warm period and the middle age warm periods and even have a hard time getting above the 1930s warm period. Most everything today about climate or environment is hype.
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  • Posted by bsmith51 8 years, 8 months ago
    One of the great debates in Geology is whether changes in morphology have been predominantly evolutionary or catastrophic. There is good evidence for both.
    The Columbia Gorge and Channeled Scablands of Eastern Washington demonstrate catastrophism, caused by the repeated breakdown of ice dams at the end of the last ice age (or are we still in it?). The ripple marks from the flooding that ensued were so large they were only found in places with the advent of satellite photography.
    All I really know is that we must Save The Planet by finding a way to Stop Continental Drift Now!!!
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 8 months ago
    There is scientific evidence collected from around the globe which shows sentiment in the layers of soil and stone consistent with a great (global) flood, all from approximately the same age. Its also rather curiously compelling that all cultures have a flood story in their legends.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
    I dont think its really important what happened thousands of years ago, or even hundreds of years ago in terms of floods and earthquakes and tsunamis- except to learn where they might happen again.

    More important to cultures is what the people in them are thinking right now.
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  • Posted by Bethesda-gal 8 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was responding to your comment which asked why such a topic was being raised in this forum. As to geology, anthropology or archeology being absolute confirmation of the past, since I am not trained in any of those disciplines, I can only suggest that all those sciences are based on a series of data points that become increasingly confirming, or disproving, depending on the discovery, over time.
    As to the whole world being covered in water, 'whole world' is relatively limited given modes of transportation in ancient times.
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