The owners of the bakery simply stated that they would not bake a cake for a function that was contrary to their belief system.
Now map the bakery address and then look at how many bakeries are in close proximity to it.
The people wanting the cake were frequent costumers to the bakery also. And the lawsuit was filed after the law was changed, not when it happened; which was before.

We can stop the slide. But where would we start first? This is all systemic. And there are too many systems attached to each other.
So do we elect someone who is right handed and willing to cut off their left?
And I mean this as a real means of discussion. I am not young , but not old either. But my kids are young and should not have to pay for the sins of others fathers.

I agree. I would have answered differently. But, the laws vary from State to State. As a hobby shop owner I refused to sell glue to and obvious 'sniffer' (in FL) and doubt I could have been forced to sell that.

My point of view is, we shouldn't be so critical of of Johnson's verbiage. We really need to get out the vote for him, not provide ammunition for the opposition.

Hillary probably did freak out. Helps to explain many things, including Benghazi.

well, its either Hillary OR Trump this time. If we dont vote for Trump, Hillary wins and we all lose.

Imagine the millions of Americans, like me, that would suddenly support Trump should he make that proclamation - imagine just how irrelevant Clinton would be the next day, if her position could only be to NOT support Constitutional rule of law? She believes that, but like all good communists, cannot dare to speak it.

EVIL to the core actually. I am very afraid that she is going to win and take us down the path to destruction even faster.

My wife (an RN) and myself worked at the Wyoming State Hospital some years ago and are very familiar with seizure behavior. That was a seizure. Period.

Now, imagine her taking the "2am call" and flaking out like that.

What do you expect from the Queen of Corruption?

She certainly waffles in the political winds a LOT. She is quite unpredictable actually. Far more so than Trump

Hillary’s mental condition may truly not be stable due to her head injury in 2012. This is an interesting 5 min video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqbDB...
and read the first few comments.

I have not read either of the books, but I would imagine they are even better than the movies. Books usually are.

Absolutely. The more money Hillary would get in taxes, the more they would control us all.

He can only bring issues up in the light of day, unlike Hillary. Real change would require the congress. He may be able to sway them into not sliding more into collectivism, particularly if there is widespread popular support for him.

I think that the establishment and media hate him for his anti-establishment stances that he will never actually get elected. I will vote for him because I want to see the death of political correctness and the rule of the establishment.

I agree 1000%. One thing I like about Trump is that he just says it and opens things up to discussion. I am positive he doesnt just DO whatever comes to mind. To be successful in business, one throws out ideas and then thinks about them and comes up with the appropriate action, and then DOES that. Hillary is a lot more unpredictable actually, in that she is a political weathervane and changes her positions all the time.

I think you are right. Johnson waffled all over the place on things that were very simple. But then again, look what happened to Trump when he ignores political correctness.

Imagine the political hay Hillary would reap from Trump saying that. Political correctness is way too powerful today.

We have to get RID of political correctness and the lock the two parties have on the election process first. THEN, it makes sense to promote libertarianism.

He acts like a buffoon though. Laughs at the wrong times, and makes the whole interview look foolish. I want to support libertarian ideas, but this is NOT the dude to represent them.

I saw the trailer for the documentary, and hopefully I will be able to see it with captions. Clinton Cash was not captioned! Aaaargh! The only time I am tempted to crack the whip and say you SHALL do this is when I am pointed at an uncaptioned movie I would like to see. We will see. There is a book too. But thank you for the suggestions.

I said I had respect for Cato, not they were infallible. And, keep in mind, probably any appointee by Trump will be those by the Queen of Corruption. I assume you have seen these movies.

“Hillary’s America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party,” the movie, is a documentary that exposes the secret history of the Democratic Party and the rise through corruption of presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. Excellent. I think it let the Republicans, especially Lincoln, off a little bit, but the sordid past of the Democrats should be taught in schools (which won’t happen because the Democrats control the teachers unions and government runs the schools). The movie came out July 22, be sure to see it before it leaves the theaters. Google the title to find out where it is playing.

I watched another movie, too, and you can watch it on your computer, called "Clinton Cash." I did not read the book, which is reputedly also excellent. Wow, but these two Clintons are something you will not believe until you watch this.
http://www.breitbart.com/clinton-cash...
Get your own popcorn.

If a Muslim Terrorist came into the bakery, after he blew up 300 babies and children, raped their mothers and cut the testicles off the Police, I would have to bake a celebratory cake according to Law

After all we shouldn't discriminate based on race or religion according to law. If he was a gay Muslim would that clinch it? What if he blew off a leg. Now he's handicapped too.

You think I am kidding? there are people out there who could believe this.

If he were a Republican Muslim Jihadist would it be OK to refuse service? Democrats would think so.

When kids are arrested in elementary school for DRAWING a stick picture of a gun or making a gun outline with their fingers, it should be a red flag taller than Mount Everest that this society is broken, with no standards to operate by other that what is Politically trendy.

Is it moral to refuse service to someone that your religion tells you is a sinner? Is it moral to force the baker to serve the customer he despises?

There is no answer because the United states Mores are nowhere to be found and therefore useless as a guide. that is why you have so many opinions and in the end force is used based on what the ruling Political Party feels they can get away with to get re-elected.

That is not morality, it is corruption of the entire concept of moral standards.

IMO no law that Congress or the Supreme court has passed (Yes Supreme Court decisions are effectively creating law by rejiggering the meaning of words in the Constitution and it's Amendments and creating something new) under the influence of Political bias are valid.

There would be no need for enforcement of Law if there were real standards that we could all agree on and base our judgement on.
But that Libertarian idea is impossible without those standards. And without teaching those standards to our children and not allowing anyone into office that does not respect those standards.

“Politics is not a separate field in itself. Political ideas do not come out of thin air. They are the result of the moral premises which men have accepted. Whatever people believe to be the good, right and proper Human actions – that will determine their Political actions“. – Ayn Rand Screen Guide For Americans

Here is my contribution to defining those standards for the United States. See what you think. http://02f8c87.netsolhost.com/WordPre...


The law lack any common sense. Discrimination is an essential component of a rational mind.

Your remarks are interesting and educative. Trump's behavior is so obnoxious that I can't watch him long enough to hear him out. I didn't know about his 11 appointees being approved by Cato, but I don't regard Cato as infallible. Indeed one area where I believe they may coincide with Trump is his attitude towards illegal immigrants. I will be continuing to push for Johnson.

Give bullies a tasty treat.
Maybe they'll sweeten up.