Hi Abaco,
Have you listened to Ted Gunderson. He was a retired head of LA FBI. He was murdered (poisoned) 2011. Maybe slander suits are so passé.

Here's the interesting point. I know of no slander suits coming out of the WikiLeaks stuff (even against those who broadcast it in what they are calling "fake news"), no matter how horrible the stories. Why? Well...I think you and I can figure that out...

Over the past couple years I started getting my news from alternative media or the Wall Street Journal. It's been enlightening.

The Haitian women activist said the UN gave them cholera. She did not expand on the topic.

Listening to her is like being in hell! Thanks for sharing and I will be sure to avoid her like I would the plague.

The UN staffers crapped in the new clean drinking water wells in Haiti, for starters.

Oooh, you haven't truly experienced brain-dead liberalism until you've listened to Rachel (actual name Maddow). Try this gem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88UV4...

Hi KevinSchwinkendorf,
I would agree, but truthfully I can't watch that crap
I don't know Rachel Mad- cow she sounds like a shrill for the left. I do remember Mad-dog Vachon he passed away 3 years ago, loved to see him body slam Jessie the body Ventura.

Hi amhunt,
Thank you fou your thoughtful comment. Free market Competition has always led to a better value.
I will have to google Edith Efron as I don't know of her.
Regards,
DOB

Of course there is FAKE NEWS! All you have to do to access it is to tune your TV to MSNBC and listen to Rachel Mad-cow, or CNN.

"Statistics are a little like a bikini, what is revealed is suggestive what is concealed is vital"

Well, this may be another view on this topic, as it has to do with the infamous "unemployment" figure. It seems a fairly good explanation of why you can make a case for any number of views on things, if you manipulate or report the right "facts".

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/th...

Wikipedia was founded based on factual editing by the masses. A great idea, until a determined group start editing all the right topics to suit "their view". I have seen where they really try to police it, and yank their material out and revert topics to previous versions, but they are very outnumbered. Proof that committed controllers of both sides will stop at nothing to push their agenda.

Bingo! This astute observation is a basis for just what the problem is. The "mainstream media" has tried to spread it's tentacles out and twine with politicos on both sides, and exert "influence". That is not in their mandate. They are supposed to report facts. Randolph Hearst introduced the "Yellow Journalism" at the turn of the last century, and it has always been there. Only now, with so many alternate sources of information and data (videos, pictures, recordings) is the model challanged and the stories vetted. They relied on the "trust" factor to cover it all up. Walter Cronkite was "trusted" in the 60's-80's as the mainstream news "Thats the way it is" guy, and was later found to be a raving liberal. How much of his "facts" were indeed fiction? The problem with data of any kind will always be: is it real and unbiased? Thats when you really get in trouble, as Fox is definitely not "Fair and Balanced" and CNN/ABC/NBC/PBS are not even close.

It is interesting to see the reactions and antics of the "established media" in light of an emerging essentially free market for news. My hope is that this new market will shape reliable news sources that present information in ways that we can readily cross check / verify. The "established media" has steadily strayed from journalism into propaganda for may years (as so ably pointed out by the late Edith Efron). It is no wonder that they try to convince us that they alone have a monopoly on "the truth" blanking out the fact that they have been deceiving us for so very many years. Thanks Dobrien -- a very nice post!

Thanks CG,
I think "real news outlets died with Edward R Murrow.To be persuasive we must be believable to be believable we must be credible to be credible we must be truthful" or "We cannot defend freedom abroad if we abandon it at home"

Decades ago the people with means to spread news were also gatekeepers. Now anyone can do it. Some people see these fake news stories and think the answer is to go back to the old model of gatekeepers, in this case FB. Real news outlets want people to subscribe and pay for real journalism. I don't have the solution, but I don't think going back to gatekeepers is desirable or even possible.

I love a good history lesson! Much appreciated Larry Heart.

I still wonder at him.

One of the problems in our system is the Political Parties. In their loyalty to the party, media and peer pressure, people become one issue voters and ignore the rest of the platform, no matter how detrimental.

George Washington warned us not to allow factions and parties lest they just compete with each other and lose sight of the people.

"...the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.”

How Prescient.
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Lol!

Hands clapping and a standing ovation.Thanks Larry Heart well said.

Maybe that's where we went wrong. Having loafers gave them a false sense of autonomy, thinking they were now alllll grown up cause they didn't need a shoe tie-er anymore.

silly liberals...

Ron Paul ... Russian Propaganda? ROFLMAO
The Post, our college educators, the media are the ones who spread the Russian propaganda . The Soviets spent billions influencing our country that the leftists are repeating, "soak the rich, class warfare, racism, socialism, anti-capitalism, social welfare - everything the left does is communist. All from the communist infiltration of our unions, Hollywood, education institutions, funding anti-war protests in the '60s and continuing to fund protests through international ANSWER, funding "activist" groups, collusion with the Islamic terrorist s, Muslim brotherhood, CAIR, black panthers, Farrakhan and other Islamic groups, the current financing through George Soros of every rabble rousing black lives matter and other destabilizing "movements". Not to mention drugs, sex trafficking and other criminal activities. Hopefully the half of the country whose view of reality is so molded by the "Russian" propagandized, will wake up under Trump.

True many just assimulate into the environment camp or the it's for the children camp and identify
The dems with those causes.