On Fox News, Charles Krauthammer predicts America will have single-payer health care within 7 years

Posted by $ nickursis 7 years, 11 months ago to Government
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Charles may very well be right, what could have been killed in the very beggining is now become yet another "benefit" for everyone, and yet no one, ever, ever mentions how it is paid for. Nor do they mention the inevitable quality that goes into the crapper. Even today, when you pay them with your own health plan, doctors take 3 or 4 visits spend thousands on tests, and then tell you you need a happy pill because it is all in your head, please move on... No quality, no real medical skill needed. Once single payer gets entrenched, you will have 2 classes of health care: One for the peasants (90% of us) and one for the wealthy (who will pay for exclusive access to "private" doctors. The issue is, the 90% end up dying while waiting 6 months to a year for an appointment. Funny thing is, you never hear a groundswell of complaint, as it becomes "the norm". Just like having corrupt politicians is the "norm"...O Brave New World...


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  • Posted by Herb7734 7 years, 11 months ago
    I'm not so sure about the 7 year part, but at present it appears as if single payer is inevitable. Because government mandated health care insurance is founded on a faulty premise, the only way it can keep it from collapsing upon itself is for the government to continuously shore it up.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder how one finds out about where there is good medical care around the world, and the costs of it.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    TRUMP always said repeal and replace, which I never thought was a good idea.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 7 years, 11 months ago
    Must be that Krauthammer believes that this GOVERNment will somehow survive the 7 years and avoid the Great Collapse. LOL

    It's bad enough that the Medicare most everyone has been forced to pay for (like forever) That's bad enough but of course then they piled on Zerocare which will pretty well tip over the applecart.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There was an SF story along this line 50+ years ago. "Preferred Risk" by Frederik Pohl.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agree completely with your suggestion, term. The way to get that is to move to central america (or another place with medical tourism like Thailand) and pay for your care as needed.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Repeal was the promise that the GOP gave to be elected. Unsurprisingly, they lied, just as they have about everything for the past 53 years.
    GOP=Dems
    There is no lesser evil.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " a radically individualist plan"
    That existed before the AMA was given control and wrecked the supply of practitioners. Prior to that, it was called the free market. Government will never bring back such a plan. The only way the free market returns is to starve the federal government to death. The double evils of the GOP and the Dems will not do anything to reduce their power. The replacement of ACA is a perfect example of how they betray the people every single time.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I remember health care in the 60's. My dad had blue cross and it paid major medical claims at a rate of 80%. It seemed to work just fine and was affordable. There was no government intrusion at that point. Now we have medicare for old people (if you can find good doctors who actually take medicare), 3 minute visits from doctors, lack of diagnosis so they dont have to treat, and death panels. We need to return to NO government involvement. Chaos for a few years, but then it will be much better.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I want REPEAL of Obamacare, not replacement. Why would anyone think that government mandated health care would be better run by republican establishment than democratic establishment. The swamp is wide and deep all the way around. I voted for Trump because I thought he could slow down the inevitability of socialism here (maybe). He cant stop it with half the people in the country actually willing to vote for Hillary or Sanders (they are both socialists). Trump himself has some socialist leanings actually, albeit less than the democrats..

    This country is finished in the long haul. The destruction of the dollar will do it in at some point.
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  • Posted by term2 7 years, 11 months ago
    I agree. IF the populace wants medical care for everyone guaranteed, no matter what- the only way is for medicare for everyone, and ultimate bankruptcy of the country. The system as it is now gives essentially free medical care to people 65 and over, as well as low income people under 65. And the rest of us working folks are paying for that. Add in all the people under 65, and it would go instantly bankrupt and require a LOT more money- and right away. Not to mention that increasing the number of people with "free" medical care will raise the cost of medical care for everyone (supply and demand).
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 7 years, 11 months ago
    They should pass a radically individualist plan, maybe with some kind of expanded Medicaid backstop for the poor and sick and tax credits for the poor and healthy, effectively separating the question of should gov't help the poor pay for medical care and should the gov't run a system. It might fail. In 7 years they might unfortunately decide they could save money with single-payer. But maybe people get a taste if being left alone and like it. Right now the issues are tangled. You want not to help the poor, you have to deal with dismantling the "system".
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Even if it failed it would work better than the oncologists definition of success: "responds to treatment." Besides no one who knew them would still be breathing, they'd be in cold sleep, too! So there would be no one to file the lawsuit. Oops, that wouldn't be good for the lawyers, so forget it.
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is a reasonable option if it could be proven to work..The problem is the definition of health and care.Should you spend 3 million to treat someone for cancer and only have it come back 6 months later and also make a crappy 6 months? They do not have the ethical structure to incorporate all of that into a single system. Also, Remember :
    The 20th century's industrialization led to overcrowding, pollution and global warming due to "the greenhouse effect". In 2022, 40 million people live in New York City; housing is dilapidated; homeless people fill the streets; many are unemployed; those few with jobs are only barely scraping by and food and working technology are scarce with most of the population surviving on rations produced by the Soylent Corporation. Their latest product is Soylent Green; a green wafer advertised to contain "high-energy plankton" from the World Ocean, more nutritious and palatable than its predecessors "Red" and "Yellow" but in short supply.

    Soylent green is People!
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  • Posted by $ 7 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is true, and it is not an auto policy either. There is a way to provide basic preventative care, and then integrate it with corrective care at a reasonable cost. However, to make something like that work, you need to eliminate all the insurance companies and assorted skimming tools. The reason the Republicrats have not gotten anything done, is their Star Chamber only meets so often to tell them what they will do, and how much they want skimmed off in return. Same thing with Dumbocraps, and people just refuse to think that nice guy in the add is a paid shill. And also, they met their Congressman, he really is a nice guy, and had cookies too...I really, really really do believe the CIA deployed the stupidity virus 20-30 years ago....
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
    Health insurance is not health.
    Republican politicians are looting scum, little better than Democrats, but the people who vote are too brainwashed to understand the truth.
    The situation is revolting. Why aren't we?
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  • Posted by freedomforall 7 years, 11 months ago
    " How can you leave people out in the cold?"
    I say don't leave em in the cold, putt hem in the cold. Freeze them until a cure is found and stop wasting resources on keeping them "alive" for a few months until the insurance runs out,
    (sarcasm on)
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