What do you all think of the Tea Party?
As far as I can see, the liberals in the Democrat Party, and the spineless progressives in the Republican Party are leading this country down the economic road to oblivion. That being said, I am open to a new party that more closely matches my philosophy and desires, and will promote policies that will serve society rather than enslave it.
While I am not a member of the Tea Party movement, I sympathize with their intent, at least with what I perceive as their intent: that being smaller, less intrusive government, and a return to the founder's original intentions in this regard. However, my understanding is that this movement is just grass roots, with no real central national platform, and certainly with no vetting process for the candidates that it backs.
Can this movement be successful without organizing at the national level?
Is this movement viable? Will it become, like the GOP did just prior to the Civil War, the dominant party of the country?
Just interested in opinions...
While I am not a member of the Tea Party movement, I sympathize with their intent, at least with what I perceive as their intent: that being smaller, less intrusive government, and a return to the founder's original intentions in this regard. However, my understanding is that this movement is just grass roots, with no real central national platform, and certainly with no vetting process for the candidates that it backs.
Can this movement be successful without organizing at the national level?
Is this movement viable? Will it become, like the GOP did just prior to the Civil War, the dominant party of the country?
Just interested in opinions...
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If they take free programs from the government you take the same programs. It bleeds the source of money and accelerate the downfall.
Assassinations - only it there is no other choice and that depends on THEM.
Rioting in the streets? Isn't that how they get what they want. We have to do the same thing and get "our fair share) (as they like to refer to it as). The American ideal is not working. We have to show the "Takers (moochers) that we can take also leaving them just that much less.
THEY do not listen to persuasion. Have you not been listening and watching TV? They want this. They want that, They Demand, They Deserve, They require etc.etc.etc
How do you deal with people who WANT but are not willing be civil to others. Do you give them everything they want. NO! Bad children need spankings, to be sat in the corner but they do not need to be allowed to DEMAND.
The Occupy Movement is a VIOLENT organization of spoiled children and needs to be treated as such. They need public spankings, be jailed until such time as they mature and are remorseful. Personally I would prefer public spankings where you drop their drawers (in public) and pound on their butts until they cry.
------ and do it each and every time they throw one of the tantrums until they stop.
Animals DO have instinct, humans do not. See Galt's speech, The New Intellectual, 121:
An instinct of self-preservation is precisely what man does not possess. An “instinct” is an unerring and automatic form of knowledge. A desire is not an instinct. A desire to live does not give you the knowledge required for living. And even man’s desire to live is not automatic . . . Your fear of death is not a love for life and will not give you the knowledge needed to keep it. Man must obtain his knowledge and choose his actions by a process of thinking, which nature will not force him to perform. Man has the power to act as his own destroyer—and that is the way he has acted through most of his history.
In a conflict of ideas, you need persuasion, not guns; talks, not tanks. Maybe the Tea Party folk could take a lesson from the Occupy Movement, if they're willing to be peppersprayed and arrested for peaceful (passive) demonstrations.
Whom would you go out and fight against, and how?
dogs smell. cats climb. bears shread...
What does man do?
Now as for human cooperation, division of labor, social organization, mutually beneficial interchange, I would not call employees "parasites", more like symbiotic participants. Nor would I call employers or entrepreneurs predators or exploiters; they, too, are partners in a symbiosis.
The best protection against parasitism is the premise of individualism, of relationships by individual consent. That is a stage of development far above the animal world where nature's algorithm is still at work to eat or be eaten.
Can humans who have reached a state of enlightened self-interest define a purpose beyond mere survival? What are your ideas about that?
Galt whole point was that human instincts are a Red Herring. Each of us must think to survive.
If the latter, I must admit that unlike Moses, I have never had a personal discussion with God, and I do not believe anyone else has recently, and so cannot speak to his purpose in all matters. In that respect I only have the bits and pieces left to us indirectly through the ages from our imperfect human ancestors. If the 60s taught me anything, it is that you shouldn't throw out the baby with the bathwater: not everything old is wrong. Therefore I am not yet ready to discount the the information passed down to us through the ages, but I am perfectly willing to state that the information may be inaccurate to some degree. Personally, I believe that the universe around us is evidence of some higher intelligence, but in the end I cannot tell you His purpose with any degree of precision.
If the former, then I guess we are getting into the realm of Galt's radio speech...
Assuming a human is raised and nourished to adulthood, he or she is programmed by nature with certain instinctive behaviors, and many more environmental\cultural behaviors, both of which influence his or her pursuits.
Instinctively, humans as creatures of this Earth will pursue their basic needs first and foremost, those being nourishment, shelter and reproduction, very likely in that order. How they obtain those needs are programed to a large degree by their environment and culture. How efficient they are at obtaining these needs determines whether or not they have time to pursue anything else. What they pursue is of course entirely subjective, and thus very possibly unique to each individual. However, I believe a humans pursuit of basic needs, which are common to all, is what you were asking about, so I will pursue that line of thought from here.
Humans, like most other creatures on this Earth, are creatures of habit. Whatever has worked for them in the past will likely be continued ad infinitum until such time as it doesn't work. Thus their pursuits of their primary needs, if successful, typically become habits. And habits, as most of us know, are hard things to break.
I believe that is what most here at the Gulch are trying to do, some by exploring ways to reeducate the populous, others by abstaining from supporting the culture that has trained a populous of destructive parasites.
Don't get me wrong. Most of us "are" parasites. Any person employed by a company is a parasite. The only question is whether or not he or she is a beneficial parasite, like the bacteria that lives in our digestive system, and profits its host, or a destructive one, like a virus or plague bacteria that destroys its host.
Have I ventured beyond the scope of your question?
Then there are those who just don't think He / She / or whatever, exists.
Libertarians believe in EVERYTHING. They resist nothing. Freedom for Freedoms sake is their idea.
Freedom requires work and to some point 'sacrifice". It requires work and defending when necessary.
They don't seem to believe in doing anything beyond empty words of "everything should be free" or whatever their physiology is.
Have they ever REALLY stated what they believe and will defend?
GOD is GOD.
He is the universe and everything in it
(He / She / or whatever God is, is. (Period)
God is all around us all the time
He is in your sense of wonder, your sense of self worth, your desire to live another day, the desire to help others, to help humanity despite many of their short comings. He is not in the heart or brains of murders, rapists and such.
Put simply - "God is." We can't go beyond that definition one fraction of an inch.
Being a member of the NRA may mean something if you are capable of using skills to think of subversive says to bring down this regime. Think HARD and come up with some ideas that will bring this regime to its knees.
My Ideas so far is (1) become a moucher on the goverment - bleed them till they can't operate any longer and pay off their henchmen. (2) Keep money in the form of gold/silver so that they can get to it and seize it. (3) take every green back out of your bank AS SOON AS IT IS DEPOSITED and leave just enough to pay your mortgage, utilities and such. ALL other purchases (FOOD - etc.) You pay with cash.
One of these fine days the banks will crash and they will seize everything in your account and THEN what will you live on.
GET RID of IRA's and such because THAT is what the Banks and the Government will seize when they are ready.
Put every source of money in gold/silver (food storage, survival tools) because they WILL NOT WARN YOU IN ADVANCE when they seize everyone's assets.
Just one day you will wake up and everything you "Thought you had in the banks and money accounts, retirement plans, will have disappeared - and you will still own money on your house and you will need food, and gasoline, water, electricity - and how are you going to pay for it.
Your won't unless you have a hidden stash.
Don't be stupid and hide it in a save in your house. They can seize that in seconds.
Don't keep it in your sock drawer
Don't keep it in an old coffee can
Be creative. Hide it where you can get to it but where nobody will look.
In your spare tire, Under your attic insulation, In a plastic tube (sealed) ((NOT a METAL PIPE OR CAN) somewhere OFF your property or where the signs of digging can be observed. (If you have a rock yard - that is a good place, just be sure you rake it over and have it look normal
BE CREATIVE. Think like those in Galts Gulch.
Above all - they will not fight back, they will passively resist but not openly and THAT is just about it
They are like 98% of those who oppose Obama and the Democratic take over. They have lost their hearts and are scardy cats.
I AM LOOKING FOR FIGHTERS WHO WILL DEFEND GALTS GULTCH AND THE AMERICAN IDEAL.
Great exchange indeed.
I prepare for the worst and work for the best. Though I am cognizant of the effectiveness of working in the middle, I am comfortable doing what needs to be done at the fringes. As each of us has every exposure, in my view, it is best to have some experience everywhere. I feel I can survive in the wild and/or society, but I would (and do) rather live in society!
OH45458 said it well with the engine that runs on air statement. AFAIK, that does not yet exist in a form that I can get my metaphysical arms around. In any case, I feel that $3 gas is the worst crisis this country has ever faced, and we are feeling it. $40 gas is completely unworkable and only serves to encourage the enviro-whackos.
So, I am an engaged member of the Tea Party, and the Republican Party. I am also a member of the NRA, even tho' they generally just want money! I know many other Tea Partiers that do the same. I know many deists and atheists in the Tea Party, and I know many others that would object to their inclusion. The point is that if you have faith in your righteousness (not necessarily in the religious sense), you will divert from the battles that will end your involvement! That is what living in a free country is all about! I hate the current state of Hollywood, but I would die for my neighbor's right to go to a theater of any kind! I am retired military, BTW!
I think that anyone who agrees that production is the best activity to engage in is welcome at any Tea Party. As long as you keep to that goal, you will do well.
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