Nobama phone no work in dead spots.

"...for the treatment of the sewer effluent." Ewwww!

I am glad that your RO system works well for you - and produces tasty water.

Jan

Jan, we buy water from the county which comes from
the tennessee river, $25 for the water and $50 for
treatment of the sewer effluent.

but, then, we run the water through an RO system
in the basement, for the kitchen and the ice,
etc.

it's gooooood!!! -- j

They don't have time, using their free Obama phone and getting their free food from Obama food bank, and being bussed other places to protest something that does not concern them.

Ah yes, Bradberry - but I am not one of those people! Secretly, I am a Medical Technologist (ASCP), and, though my work was in clinical hospitals, I have a good idea of what is in the water. Hence my insistence (above) that you use a filtration system first. Some of these filtration systems filter down to the viral level: The chlorine is necessary with some of the systems; it is optional with others. Most of these systems are oriented towards backpacking, camping, and survivalist situations...but were I deprived of water as a utility, I would certainly use a base-camp version of Lifestraw or something similar to provide drinking water for myself and my household.

OK. This is illegal. Illegal vs thirsty...thirsty wins.

It costs a bundle to drill for water in So Cal, where I live, but drive point wells are feasible in some parts of the country and could provide a source of (filterable) water for illegal but totally worthwhile personal culinary use.

So I agree with all of your data but, given the addition of an appropriate filtration system, come to the opposite conclusion - at least for myself.

Jan

Jan,
It is not that easy as you make it sound and most all States prohibit water for drinking straight from a surface water. Chlorine does not inactivate a lot of stuff in the water. It also does not remove TOC’s DO, Solids and it does not reduce turbidity. It is okay for irrigation but NOT culinary usage. In other countries this may be true but not in most all of the US. I deal personally with Water Departments and Water Masters all over my State. Your water rights dictate your usage and culinary is generally not one of them. Most people in the US (unless you do what I do for a living) have NO CLUE what is in their water before we treat it and send it off to the consumer. Here again water is NOT free. If you drill a well it will cost for the driller, the casing, the pump, and the power to run the pump and in some areas a permit.. Then you have to have storage for the water and in some cases a secondary booster pump. A lot of wells also depend on the water table level. In a drought season you might be out of water. Most people do not have the time, luxury or finances to take on this type of system. Believe me when I say that I know this subject matter.

If Rufallo cares about this "plight" so much here is a handy dandy solution for him.

Write the city a check.

If you really want to help thats what you need to do.

Otherwise admit you only want the face time.

First of all, I doubt many people on this site agree with sending billions of dollars to Israel or sticking our fingers in any other international conflicts. We have no business picking sides and interfering with these affairs and I resent that my tax dollars are financing it. But regarding Detroit's water situation--I was under the impression that many corporate customers' water is still shut off while service to residents has been restored for the moment. While it may be true that water costs have risen, that is no excuse for only half of the customers to pay for the entire water system. In addition to infrastructure problems, might the lack of payments be at least in part why rates have sky rocketed?

What a MORON.

I can tell you this if I have to pay more per gallon for water than someone else I am moving. He must have caught lice or crabs from the homeless he was hanging with he keeps scratching himself.

Bradberry -
What you write is true if you are in the professional business of providing water for a community, but it is not accurate if you are providing water for your own home. There are many filtration systems available that can be used by untrained personnel (ie African villagers) to turn filthy water into pure water. Dig a well or scoop water from a river, pour it through a filtration device, add a little chlorine maybe (depending on the device) and you have potable water for your family.

Jan

Nice to meet you, TheOldMan.

Federal government money should not be sought or used. because the states have lost enough autonomy since the Federal Reserve Act, ch. 6, 38 Stat. 251, enacted December 23, 1913, 12 U.S.C. ch. 3, and the passage of the 17th Amendment (taking away the voice of the states) https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/his.... Any greater ceding of states rights will only encourage the Federal government and its tyrannical gripe on the post Constitutional nation. Central banks and Corporations have turned the Constitutional Republic, bequeathed to us by the Founding Fathers, to the 'America Corporation' in which we find ourselves 'corporate assets', chattel, Tribute Slaves. Most Americans, as Henry Ford said, don't understand the FED or accept it as "Black Slaves' once accepted slavery as institutional and Jim Crow laws; post emancipation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUU...

Detroit River. This may amaze many people but years ago, Detroit water was among the finest municipal water in the country. We drank it straight from the tap. Now I know that many of you are saying "Well that explains a lot about TheOldMan mental state!"

Once again the ancient motto rears its ugly head:
"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

Nothing prevents people from going down to the Detroit River with a couple of pails and scooping up all the water that they want. It is free for the taking. Or putting out pails to catch the rainwater. Oh, they want it cleaned and delivered for free? Ok so how about getting a "community organizer" to organize a work party to build a solar powered distillery that would do a fair job of removing most of the nasty stuff. Then someone in the "community" could study for a Watermaster certificate to run it, add chlorine as necessary or use solar powered UV, and then someone else could stand guard at the tap to dole out the water to passersby. IIUC about 90% of those who had (or were threatened with) their water shut off ended up settling their bill.

He said, "I'm here to be of service..." but I heard, "I'm here to get some screen time..."

Most all surface water has to be treated to be safe to drink and also a high percentage of well water also has to be treated. That treatment process costs a lot of money and it takes trained personnel. Then there is the distribution system and the trained personnel who maintain and run it. Then there is the storage system and pumping system, again trained personnel. Not to mention the required water tests that need to be completed. All of this cost money. You want it to keep pouring through your faucets and toilets...There is a price! I know ALL of this first hand. IT IS NOT FREE!

I personally witnessed the deliberate destruction of Michigan’s manufacturing industry by the Democrat party starting with the takeover of Michigan Legislature by Democrats in 1964. The Michigan legislature was controlled by Republicans for 100 years prior to the Democrat Party takeover in 1964. Under Republicans, Michigan was one of the leading manufacturing states not only in the country but in the world. At one time, 85% of the auto industry resided in Michigan. Democrats continued to control the Michigan legislature until recently. The results were catastrophic. Detroit is just the poster child of what happened to the entire state. Some Michigan cities like Flint are in worse shape that Detroit due to a massive pullout of the Auto and other manufacturing industries. I predict the same will happen to the US if the Democrats continue to control Congress and the Presidency.

Will the folks who failed to pay ever understand that someone has to pay? Do they care? Will they ever care? Or will they continue in their larceny against the poor unfortunates that still pay their debts in that rusting and rotting metropolis?

I see your point. Pragmatically there are laws in place which may prevent that in a city. Water rights are extremely important property rights. Think out west where it 's harder to get to or the midwest for agriculture. Look at the demise of California 's central valley where water delivery systems were shut down to protect a small fish salmon snack on. They cannot dig their way down to saving their farms. These people are free loaders. They want all basic necessities paid for so they can remain tethered to a bleak welfare system that has only brought loss of jobs, violence, drug wars and crime ti their communities. Shutting their water off is a step in the right direction. The vast majority of those bills will be paid. Every utility company I have been a customer of has assistance programs. I 'm thinking about those pics you see of kids breaking fire hydrants to play in on a hot day while their parents watch nearby.

That old Georgia Yellow Pine, etc., is worth $2 a board-foot.

I REALLY look forward to realistic digital actors. Perhaps then the media will stop interviewing ignorant actors as if they actually had some knowledge about the causes they promote and their consequences.