I just finished it, I don't have access to edit the title itself, so I posted as the first comment.

I see the separate topic posted, but there is no detail or any link there, sco.

Post a separate topic with the details, sco. You have the technical background.

http://FactCheck.org. I also have experience as a crash-investigator when I was in the Air Force (the comment about how we would know the engine was running when crashed).

Damn, news to me. What is the source of this? You should post it as a separate topic in the Gulch so everyone has a chance to see just what an incompetent, looting slime-ball McCain has been for his entire adult life, and just what the GOP thinks we deserve as President.

"I had no idea which of the claims, or any were true" - so I had to turn it over to the FBI under cover of "US Senator John McCain" so they would give it some attention.

LOL.. he's scared of where he's going.

Yeah, there was a lot of fake news that he fired it, and his shitty record certainly would support the theory, but there was some debate as to whether he was struck or the plane next to him. Navy says it was the plane next to him.

McCain destroyed 5 aircraft when he was in the Navy - for anyone that didn't have an admiral for a father, the first would have doomed their careers. The first was actually listed as "pilot error" while at flight school. Crashing a jet at advanced flight training should have been a career-ender. He called it "engine failure", the official Navy report says "pilot error, inattention to altitude". How do we know the engine was running? (It sucked up a pile of earth on impact).

In 1961 while "clowning" over Spain, he flew so low he took out a bunch of power lines and that was the end of jet #2. He even admits it was "clowning" in his book. Again, daddy the Admiral to the rescue after taking the electricity out in numerous Spanish villages.

He was promoted to full lieutenant a few months after the Spain incident...

Then in 1965 he "borrowed" a fighter jet to fly from Mississippi to Baltimore to take in the Army-Navy game with his dad. So - cross country flight on leave, normally means buying an airline ticket for anyone else - but if your dad is an admiral, you can get some orders cut and get the F-4 fueled up. On the way back, blaming the weight of all of the Christmas gifts he bought for his family in the baggage storage area, he ended up putting that one down in the Chesapeake Bay. In his book he says he was "coming in for refueling when the engine flamed out" - or.. sounds more like he ran out of gas after getting pretty bombed at the Army Navy game (previously noted he has a problem paying attention to instruments)? This one was called a "routine ejection" by the Navy. Really? "routine"? The first report of the crash said there was no damage or failure in the engine. Then it was revised a couple of weeks later to read "engine flameout caused by failure of unknown engine component". 12 months later, he is promoted to Lieutenant Commander - no doubt the heroism of dumping a plane into the bay.

During the Forrestal fire - McCain writes about his heroism in fighting the fires after his plane was struck by the missile, etc.. but the Navy official record doesn't list his plane as being among the ones initially struck, and all the ones that were - have dead pilots among the KIAs.. but John would have us believe he jumped out of his plane after the missile flew through his belly tank and took command of the firefighting crew on deck. There is conflicting testimony that says he ran below and was watching the fire from the closed captioned tv screens.

Unfortunately, McCain's skewed sense of fairness and obvious lack of integrity (sorely wanting) has him making not only poor judgement decisions but ultimately hurting himself and the nation.

His being an obvious hater of Trump has tainted his character (if he ever had one) to the point of looking like an absurd clown. Releasing a document such as that "Democrat" fake dossier document has forever linked him with lies and deceit that has hurt our country, not helped it! Now that it is well known that this document was fake and was paid for by the Democrats (and probably "Never Trump" R's like McCain) we can now see he has done a grave injustice to the American people!

In some people's minds, McCain is a hero but even that does not give him license to use a now discredited document to attack the president thereby hurting the country! The best case for McCain would be to cut his losses thus saving some of his reputation and integrity by apologizing for pushing that Dossier garbage!

If he continues on his "fools" errand, this is the way he will be remembered. A not too bright politician with little or no credibility or integrity. A typical "Swamp" denizen!

His legacy may well be firmly and completely attached to that fake document perpetrated by the "Deep State" and its henchmen and women! For what its worth!

spoken like a true Kantian....

The United Nations.

Talk about Hypocrisy! We will soon get to bury him with full military honors! Makes me want to vomit. The line of veterans waiting to piss on his grave should be much longer. His headstone should be one of those green Porta potties.

Yeah! Duty for America, or something else?

why is mc taking so long to die

He's saying that duty demands that a U.S. Senator sully his office and his institution by passing on information he knows is false.

Thanks.

Yes, but he has the best care Congress can buy, and you know it is not Obama quality....

McCain prevented the repeal of Ovomitcare. He has cancer. Karma.

I would say he has done a lot of manipulation in the last 20 years and none of it was every any good. The finance reform act was a total waste, and he has not done much of note to improve anything, other than ensure Republicrats skim their money.

Uh it was a Zuni rocket that went off, and hit another plane. It was a required study in Damage Control in the Navy, nicknamed the "Forrest Fire" and illustrated all the shortcomings. No, he was actually on the receiving end of the rocket, that hit the plane next to his.

https://www.factcheck.org/2008/09/mcc...

Cant say I care for him either as he is a classic RINO. His run for President was the biggest waste of time for everyone in a long time.He was a stooge candidate taking up space to make sure the Democrats won.

The old men always used to tell us that when someone of questionable character died, they would have to screw him in the ground. Where's the screwdriver Mr. McCain?

Didn't he blow up his own ship?

"so I did what any American who cares about our nation’s security should have done.”

Really? McCain has been a cancer on the body of the Senate and by that on all of America. He has always put his selfish interest first and keeps doing it to his last breath, literally.

He will not be missed. The sooner the better.