Humans are Animals; Every day the gap gets narrower

Posted by $ Thoritsu 6 years, 10 months ago to Science
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When I was a child (forever ago), there were a number of fallacies purveyed regarding animals, most of which have been proven completely false:
- Animals can't reason (false)
- Humans are the only animals that kill/murder each other (false)
- Animals can't talk (false)
- Animals can't count (false)
- Animals don't have emotions (false)
on and on...
Of course the animals don't have souls argument, but that is irellevant, since no one knows if humans do either.
Arguably, these false assertions were motivated to "elevate" humans, perhaps sometimes to justify human uses for animals such as food.

However, every day tests are conducted demonstrating that animals have practically every cognitive capability humans have, generally to a lesser degree.

Not being a an expert in this field myself, the one area I recall that has not been shown in animals is "episodic memory", the specific recall of previous events. It is distinguished from learned behavior, which is the integral of prior events. I suspect this will be established in animals eventually as well.

I assert no change in our general behavior towards animals as a conclusion, but that our arrogance should be dropped yet another peg.


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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had no intention of distracting us from a primary objective, with other information. Quite right!
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  • Posted by ewv 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course man is really different. As the rational animal his rational, conceptual faculty distinguishes him from other animals. Contrary to sensationalist articles and 'researchers' who do not understand epistemology, bees do not have a concept of zero, let alone the capability and necessity to think in concepts.
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That connection is excellent. I don’t understand why private industry is no engaged in reform with clear fiscal metrics for reintegration and independence.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was determined that all living things, at least in the sample group, came from a relatively small period of time. And that evolutionary changes had to have occurred much faster and more dramatically that present theory contends. This is significant and forces a reexamination of the premise. The much shorter time-span and the degree and magnitude of accomplishments of Man from the beasts also creates more difference between man and animal.

    All this from a sushi test :)
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yep...e a t and O u t they have already figured out.
    One watches TV and barks at other dogs and anything strange, one night during the news they show Nancy P and Mari went nuts! growling, barking and very very upset...I told her...welcome to our world!

    When people come to see their puppies...Daddy Murph is very protective. Those are HIS kids.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Work release programs are supposed to provide a buffer. Minimum custody inmates have been known to escape from those low level security institutions or return to prison despite undergoing that service.
    Two times during my 21-year career did I have to fire a warning shot from a tower to stop an escape attempt. The second time concerned a wannabe escapee who ran from a van containing work release inmates. Glad he stopped when I began to aim at his center mass. I was not to shoot at minimum security inmates but he fled the back gate area of a maximum security prison at a time other vehicles containing inmates were parked there.
    I wan't really sure what custody my target had and was not about to have any innocent victims of an escape I allowed on my conscience.
    Fortunately, I only picked up a second written commendation for stopping an escape that I have framed and hanging on a wall in my home.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 6 years, 10 months ago
    There are differences among the various kinds of domestic animals. Sheep can normally be treated as a single entity. They all go the same direction, all together. Goats, not so much. Dogs and horses can learn to read your mind, or so it seems. Cats already know, but they really don't care.

    The idea of teaching animals to behave as we would like (rather than just whipping them) goes back at least to Xenophon and his predecessor Simon. Working with the horse's mind, "travailler la cervelle," in the words of Pluvinel, dates from the age of Louis XIII.

    All our understanding of the psychology of animals is of course framed in our understanding of our own minds. The number of dogs or horses who have written about understanding the human mind is exceptionally small.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting how some breeds adopt roles they have to play. Our Maltese has declared herself to be the watchdog, with her high pitched bark going off whenever she sense a potential threat. Her Havanese companion acts as a bodyguard for my wife, staying by her side no matter the circumstances. It used to be that experts believed dogs could comprehend a couple of hundred human words, but they now recognize the dogs comprehend a great deal more, including context, and even learning when we attempt to get by them by spelling words.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It has always amazed me that parole boards don't seem to understand the difference between an inmate who does well in a rigid, highly structured prison environment and one who can succeed upon release to the more chaotic outside world. There should be a testing/learning environment to get a more accurate assessment of an inmate's readiness for release.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 6 years, 10 months ago
    It has seemed obvious to me for more years than I care to admit - that humans are simply a specialized version of animals. Ones that perhaps got a little extra "oomph" in their evolution.

    I can't even contemplate the idea that humans are somehow "not animals."

    (I realize that is a personal opinion, not backed up by any particular scientifc studies, and therefore I can't really defend it. It's just an opinion, but one I use to live by every. single. day.)
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 6 years, 10 months ago
    Me dino who is not an atheist but was taught in elementary school as far back as the 50s that I'm a top of the food chain mammal animal.
    Me dino also knows that captive humans can be trained how to earn treats and more advanced rewards such as an early release.
    As a corrections officer, me dino watched state prison inmates earn "good time" by following the rules and staying out of trouble toward a parole.
    Some would then come right back due to sticking up a liquor store or something.
    Then the be a good boy in prison toward another accelerated release from prison would start all over again.
    Fortunately, Alabama has what inmates call "the bitch law." Three felony convictions in Bama bags life without parole.
    Some repeat offenders finally learn to go straight because of that.
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  • Posted by term2 6 years, 10 months ago
    I have two dogs and one cat. I can tell you from experience that they do "think", they certainly have feelings, they will try different ways to get what they want, they do communicate through different sounds and actions.

    People have more RAM and more processing power. But there are pretty stupid people out there too who can hardly get out of their own way. I would say there is a wide variation in brain power. Animals seem to be more controlled by their feelings. But so are a lot of people, to the exclusion of reason !

    Animals typically dont have the ability to change their environments like humans do, but they possess a lot of the characterists of humans anyway.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 6 years, 10 months ago
    I am a 1968 graduate from MSU College of Veterinary Medicine still in practice. I am convinced that we humans live in a black and white world and dogs and cats live in a technicolor world. The stories I hear are amazing. For example, a clients dog pestered the husband at 3 am until he wakened, only to discover his wife was unconscious. Another clients dog alerted the wheel chair bound mother that something was wrong with her daughter. When the bedroom door was opened she discovered her daughter was trying to commit suicide by overdoing meds. In my practice pets alert us when their owners are arriving - before they enter the reception area.
    But this makes sense given that the dumb ones got eaten when their species was evolving and the smart ones survived.
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  • Posted by jeffdhurley1 6 years, 10 months ago
    or ,,,since bees are genetically set up to associate shapes and colors with nectar , perhaps they do not "understand" the concept of zero , but have been pavlovian trained to associate more white with more food ....
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hmm...so why do I have so much work to do, not to mention, paying for everyone else! Same goes for everyone else around me.

    Do Not Feed the Humans!...nor the animals, is the lesson to learn here.
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This has already happened over the last 200 years. I agree, it will continue. Hopefully not with foolish vegetarianism or saluting your dog, but not mistreating them.
    For example, a dog wants you to be the master, to be in charge and lead. People who attempt peer-friend relationships with pets simply stress the pets, and even endanger themselves and others.
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is clearly acceptable.
    I quickly read your other link, but don't really see the connection.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 6 years, 10 months ago
    It is very possible in the future people will look back and wonder how we could treat other animals the way we do.
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We'll have to agree to disagree there. For me, accomplishments, ambitions and conscience is all the difference that matters.
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, animals are content to let themselves do the "work", but smarter-others, organize the work, where the real value lies.
    Humans are letting others do the work. That is the problem.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Animals would like socialism...they are easily kept and contented to let You do all the work.

    As for the "human" and "animal" connection...seems, perhaps animals have more in common with the creatures in governments that with us value creating Human Beings.

    Always said, these governmental creatures weren't human...
    Maybe that's what the article is telling us...abet, a bit to generous I'd say.
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  • Posted by $ 6 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Now that might be a good idea. They are clearly more directly logical. However, the little exoskeleton bastards have landed on socialism due to their limited capabilities.
    I'd argue, we shouldn't, because our interactions are far too complex for socialism to benefit us.
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