"You're making the cardinal mistake of believing that these progressive elitists are mentally consistent in the first place! ;)"

Oh, yes, I wanted to insert that but it got lost as I was formulating my answer.

The elite live in their comfortable enclaves from where they pontificate and want to control. I always enjoy seeing when their "grand" scenario falls flat in practice. They make up these unrealistic things, that they themselves don't believe in. but expect the "masses" to do. Then they throw a tantrum when it doesn't work.

Obama threw his tantrum when he realized his grand ideas fell on deaf ears among the majority of Americans and he attacked them by "clinging to their guns and religions".

Macron is furious that his grand plan to convert France and the EU into a globalist paradise met its banana skin on a trivial thing of raised fuel taxes.

Merkel could not understand how her "Wir machen das" flopped even after she lost her grab on power.

I would be ok with the failure of all these nitwits had that failure not cost immense suffering and hardship to millions of people. The lesson is learned only by the latter, when going to the polls next time. You can't expect the elite to learn.

"It still does not explain the depopulation drive you were alluding to."

You're making the cardinal mistake of believing that these progressive elitists are mentally consistent in the first place! ;)

I think that they talk a big game about de-population but realistically the only way that happens is total destruction of the planet via either nukes or another global pandemic like the bubonic plague. Conventional war just doesn't get the job done very well.

(The problem with nukes is culpability - after you drop one your head is on a platter unless you have someone solid you can blame as an instigator. I think that's one of the reasons leftists court these megalomaniacal dictators like Kim Jong Il because they WANT them to initiate something they can use as an excuse for overkill.)

I do see something like a superflu or a hidden poison in the flu vaccines as one real way to institute widespread depopulation. "The Omega Man" is a very real scenario - even though the remake with Will Smith was more politically correct in the origins of the disease. The ostensible plan is that the elites retreat to their bunkers for a couple of years while such a plague ravages the known world and then they re-emerge to find themselves the grand conquerors of everything they see.

The biggest problem with these elitists is the control mindset: they think that they can manage everything. They have a "god" complex - very literally - and as a result they often commit to a course of action which any sane person will recognize is self-annihilation because they believe themselves able to control the outcomes and consequences - not just the initial choices.

You see it correctly and I agree with your post.

It still does not explain the depopulation drive you were alluding to.

The elite may support it but they are working directly against that goal in Europe and in the US as well.

Europe will not get depopulated: as you pointed out it'll be fully Muslim, with ten times the population as of today, 360 degrees against anything Europe once stood for. The Germans became brainwashed after WW2 and are willing to do everything to shed the stigma, including suicide. On the other hand, if the former colonizing nations in Europe now have bad conscious and want to redeem their sinful past, fine. But don't expect all nations in Europe to sign up to that suicide pact, like the former communist countries. Hungary, for example is steadfastly against all migrants, especially Muslims and built a wall when the migration waves hit. The country and its PM have been vilified ever since, under a tremendous pressure from the EU and its bureaucrats. The UN joined the fray recently.

Never mind that Merkel was ousted for her "Welcome" policies. Sweden is a basket case and so is France, due to the Muslim invasion.

The tragedy is that it is ongoing, despite every normal person seeing for what it is.

It might be easier to explain than one might think.

The first thing to understand is that the peoples of Europe are in large part victims of their own "success" in cultural manipulation. They have been indoctrinated by socialists since WW II and have embraced the high taxes and few children that such a system extols. The problem is that a socialist system depends on many worker bees to feed the elitists and when everyone considers themselves an elitist, the system breaks down in a big way. Thus the need to import more workers to drive the system.

The uneducated (largely immigrants) are easier to enslave in order to feed such a system. This arrogant and hubristic mentality is completely consistent with hundreds of years of history in this country (the US) starting with the importation of black slaves from Africa. The single most emancipating thing is education - which is why Democrats are trying so hard to destroy the school systems and neighborhoods of black communities in the United States: it has been their goal since Andrew Jackson took over the party in the late 1820's. It's no secret that the worst performing schools are predominantly black and in Democratically-controlled inner cities - and it is no surprise either.

In Europe, the elitists love the immigrants coming in - or think that they do - because they believe them to be uneducated and therefore easy to control. The problem with this mentality is that many of these people (read Muslims) are already ideologically indoctrinated and therefore mostly immune to the typical controls the elitists have hitherto been able to use. Thus instead of importing an ignorant and pliable population, they are actually importing the exact kind of wholesale cultural change they perpetrated on their own countries over the past 70 years. On their current trajectory, the EU will be one huge, homogeneous bloc of nations - all dominated by Muslims - in 100 years. What is ironic is that it is the Muslims' own militancy that will lead to greater and greater conflicts with the European cultural mindset - a war which the Europeans can not win without abandoning the socialist rhetoric and either going full-scale communist or full-scale free enterprise. Anything but the extreme and they will lose the fight because of a lack of will.

Well, how do you explain the migrant onslaught into Europe where the goal was to replace the existing natives with those whose reproduction rate is ten times that of the natives?

Europeans stopped reproducing and voila, here is the solution: let's plant people from Africa and the ME where families count 7-8 children per family vs that of a typical European below 1.

One of the contradictions you encounter when politics interfere with facts.

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No , that oz of gold is protection from inflation.

Absolutely !!! When I was in college in the mid 1960's, an intermediate GM car pretty well decked out cost about $3000. Now something like a camaro is more like $40000. If you want the really tricked out one, its more like $60,000. Thats how I measure inflation. I dont believe Government numbers. Now they even have the "chained CPI", which says if you now eat chicken instead of beef, they use the price of a chicken based meal instead of accurately reporting what t beef based meal costs.
As long as the actual price inflation is kept low enough per year, people will just ignore it and the government gets away with it.

A one ounce chunk of gold when I was in college was as I remember $40. Now its $1300. THATS REAL INFLATION

Yes . The mysterious Georgia Guidestones has as its first listed “commandments “ is as follows....
“Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.“ many link Ted Turner to this erection.( for OUC’s humor) LOL

Regarding inflation. The govt used to have a semi decent system to measure inflation. The CPI consumer price index. the Bureau of labor Statistics. That system was changed or altered.
How it was changed . The old way as an example used a fixed cost of a meal, say Steak potatoes Salad bread milk. That cost was measured against the previous years cost the difference would be rate of inflation. Just an example mind you but the change occurred when they started substituting Ground beef for the steak or maybe chicken. Basically the CPI is understating inflation by about 6-7%. Why? They don’t want you to see what the monetary policy of the FED , WallStreet and Govt spending
Is doing to your wealth and standard of living.

hyperinflation definitely lowers all boats and bails out the printer of money. But, they can disproportionally "fix" their problem by allowing some groups to not be inflated away completely, by essentially reducing to a very small value all the wealth denominated in the currency over a certain amount.

“ devaluation of all savings/investments over a certain amount” that is what hyper inflation does.

"or worse" involves things like what happened in that european country where they basically confiscated bank deposits over a certain amount and converted them to sort sort of stock in banks. Another option will be just to limit withdrawals of savings for domestic depositors, or flat out devaluation of all savings/investments over a certain amount. There are a lot of ways to preserve the government at our expense.

First you say “inflation or worse is inevitable”
Then you contradict your self. The Fact is if we print more money to pay the debt the dollars value will weaken and the result is inflation.

Pray to the god of YouTube ! Even tho Jordan Peterson is deeply into religion, I like the way he thinks. Also he doesn’t try to raw religion down our throats

You were quick to answer that question. These students were not. They’ve been programmed very differently.
https://youtu.be/-4S0gHlKiho

Of course men and women have differences, just like male and female animals are different. BUT, that said, the essentials are the same when it comes down to how they should interact in a society. I think there are often wide differences from one man to another, and one woman to another, but the averages in terms of internal brain wiring still make us all humans.

In my experience, emotions are stronger in women than in men, such that they tend to react more emotionally to situations. Its just the wiring of the brain, where emotions are amplified more than thinking. I think there are also genetic differences in this regard from one race to another, and one person to another. Not a big deal, but I suspect these effects are wired from birth, as well as subject to change from culture.

“The biggest threat to utopian socialism is the nature of man itself”
That’s why many mind blow when asked, are men and women different?

I would say that the leftists rely on emotion and not reason. If it "feels better", they accept it.

When it comes to sustainability, I think that the idea that any threat to "utopian socialism" would feel "bad", and therefore would be upsetting to them. The biggest threat to utopian socialism is the nature of man itself- that the people would not sacrifice themselves forever for some idea of "common good" that is presented by the "-ism". Thats what brings down socialism, fascism, communism, etc, and makes kills its sustainability. It has no auto correct feature built into it. The only way it has been preserved is by the use of force against the non believers or the partial believers.

But Objectivism isnt supposed to be a CULT where people talk about esoteric theoretical things all the time. There is LIFE to be lived, and its ok to relate the theoretical to everyday life too.

Well, then we ought to redefine those terms back to what they ought to mean. No one defined terms to mean exactly what she wanted them to mean like Ayn Rand.

Leftists ALWAYS redefine terms -- usually to be to opposite of the meaning they have previously have had. Step one is to always stop them in there grandiose pronouncements and insist they define whatever they are talking about. Define: Fair Share; Progressive; middle class, Too big to fail, socialism, health care, reproductive rights etc. etc

epistemology....the art of the identification of reality and the abstract...without contradiction...

I think hyperinflation would be political suicide. they will find other ways to hide what they have done. I dont know what they will do, but one thing that could be done is just stop printing money and let the inflation that is lurking in the system play itself out like it did in the 70's and 80's.

Leave the debt where it is and dont make it any worse might be a good thing to try. Of course, that puts us in an instant recession or perhaps depression- thats not going to happen before 2020 election as it would kill Trump's chances. After 2020, it would mean big cutbacks in the social programs the leftists want to instantly install if (when) they win.

I was around when the inflation was more like 17% during the WHIP INFLATION NOW programs in I think the late 70's. They did price and wage controls, but let interest rates go where they wanted .
One way to fix the debt would be to let the dollar fall big time, and put a cap on what foreign holders of dollars could cash in. Internally, they could put a cap on withdrawals from private accounts too.

People will go into gold and silver, and the government will make holding those illegal as they did in the 1930's

In any event, its going to be a series of draconian moves , and the government will attempt to come out of it intact, screwing over current holders of paper dollars.