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This is what abortion has led to

Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 2 months ago to Government
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OK. I just vomited and I am still very shaken up when I heard that the governors of Virginia and New York want to kill babies after they are born in the name of abortion rights. I am really upset. I have always believed a baby is a human being with the right to live from the point of conception. Yes, a woman has a right to make choices about her body, but she does not have the right to kill another human being. She can give it up for adoption if she doesn’t want the baby. But now they can kill the child after it is born. Isn’t that murder? So, how do all of you who think it's OK to kill humans inside the womb think about killing them outside the womb feel? To me, there is no difference but some of you rationalize it. So did Ayn Rand. This is one issue I did not agree with her about and this is why. This is where your rights to abortion/murder have led. There should be a category for morality.

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  • Posted by bsmith51 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    After hearing me speak years ago, my 4-year old son asked me, "Daddy, are you speaking the language of sarcasyism?"
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  • Posted by dnr 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The question is do people with the Objectivism philosophy need a constitution? The answer is "yes." Amazingly enough, our constitution does not answer any of these questions. It is a "framework" and we keep trying to understand its "meaning." Certainly our founders could not have conceived of our current world, but just tried to lay down some basic principles. All questions we look at should try to be answered on the grounds of this foundation. I don't think that either of our two party system is equipped or able follow these principles.
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  • Posted by ycandrea 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Really? So, we do not need the Constitution to protect our rights anymore? And if we do, the Constitution does not apply to "offspring". We are all "offsprings".
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  • Posted by bsmith51 6 years, 2 months ago
    "One can evade reality but one cannot escape the consequences of evading reality." Defying this simple platitude seems to have been the single greatest mission of our time.
    What reality have we worked hardest at evading? I would say cause and effect, starting with the removal of consequence from our sexual urges. First we created "The Pill," then we went wild. From there began the great flood of human degeneracy.
    No wonder the Muslims feel threatened by our great western civilization.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand that rape is a terrible thing and has horrible consequences - some of which sometimes involves conceiving an obviously unwanted baby. But why on earth it is okay to KILL the baby? At whatever gestation period? (OK I am good with a 72-hour rape kit, or whatever they call it - to prevent fertilization). It wasn't his fault! I get that the mother may not want the baby, so why can she not adopt it out? EVEN unwanted babies conceived in violence can grow up to be not only much-loved but very productive members of society. Honestly, I don't think that's a good reason for abortion, myself.
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  • Posted by dnr 6 years, 2 months ago
    Since there are no higher powers and we are alone in the universe and we will be done in another few thousand years, and we have Objectivism to guide us, then a womens choice, is a women choice and no government or anyone else should be able to tell her what or what not to do with her offspring. The government should have no role what-so-ever in this choice.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "People do have the right to be irresponsible". OK, but I don't have to pay for it, as is the case now.

    "Trying to force responsibility is what the left always tries to do." Are you kidding? Sometimes the right acts to force responsibility. The left actively promotes irresponsibility.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 6 years, 2 months ago
    We have a definition of death that seems to be generally acceptable, that being the cessation of brain activity. Would it be reasonable to define the detectable onset of brain activity as the beginning of life?
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  • Posted by jimslag 6 years, 2 months ago
    I wrote about this on Facebook yesterday. The fact that the Democrats will have blood on their hands because I consider it murder. It would be classified as a homicide, death caused by another person. It just shows that our politicians hate us, hate Christians, hate America. I would say Democrats but the Republicans do it also. I always call our politicians the Big Government Party, it just has 2 wings that constantly battle each other. A meme has it right, we could blame Democrats, we could blame Republicans, I blame us because we elected people who care more about about power and money than putting the good of the country first.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 6 years, 2 months ago
    To be clear...
    THE SAME People who are AGAINST the death penalty, and FOR Giving our rights to EVERY Living person who wants to sneak into the border...

    Are AGAINST the rights of a newborn...

    I always joke that Abortion should be legalized until 12 mos after the kid graduates from college (In case they go full libtard). But I WAS JOKING!
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  • Posted by AgSchweed 6 years, 2 months ago
    What confuses me is how a mother's life can be considered endangered from childbirth after the baby is already born which was one of the reasons quoted for letting the baby die...
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  • Posted by exceller 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, thank you for sharing.

    I know mothers who gave birth to Down's babies and they would not give them up for the world.

    The sick mindset of the left knows no limits to "know better" and interfere where they have absolutely no business to do so.
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    Posted by PeterSmith 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Of course it is murder...no it's not ok, but it is understandable and if it has to be dealt that way, it should be done right away before the baby is fully formed"
    What are you even trying to say in this sentence?
    Either abortion is murder, in which case it must be illegal in ALL contexts, or it's not.

    "A baby is a human being that has a right to life, liberty and happiness?"
    What does this have to do with abortion?
    You understand abortion doesn't involve any "baby," right?
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course it is murder...no it's not ok, but it is understandable and if it has to be dealt that way, it should be done right away before the baby is fully formed...There are Two victims to consider...adoption would be the better choice...but we are not going to win that battle with the left. There are women that do not abort in incest and rape...either way, that's got to be tough.

    They claim to care, yet the teach bullcrap, the confound the language, they poison the food, they ruin a child's life in all respects and now want to kill them even after birth.

    A baby is a human being that has a right to life, liberty and happiness?
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  • Posted by PeterSmith 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, people have the right to be irresponsible, trying to force responsibility is what the left always tries to do.
    Secondly, abortion doesn't murder anyone, it's not even a rights violation, so should be perfectly legal.
    Having said that, I can understand the arguments re viable fetuses.

    "Rape, incest, malformation is another thing, and should be dealt with early."
    This contradicts the position you put forward originally of abortion being murder.
    Are you saying just because you were raped, you can murder an "innocent human being?"
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not really, it's about avoiding responsibility. It's legalized murder of an innocent human being for the sake of one's convenience. Have a goooood logical reason for not caring for the child?...put it up for adoption.

    Rape, incest, malformation is another thing, and should be dealt with early.
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  • Posted by PeterSmith 6 years, 2 months ago
    Killing a child after birth is not "abortion."
    Don't play the conservative game of trying to conflate the two, in order to reduce half the population to the level of cattle.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 6 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not really, Can't have a baby cause I got a headache or any other excuse is no excuse, you are responsible...at least put the baby up for adoption.
    PS...the father must be included in the outcome too...he is responsible as well.

    You know darn well today's left takes no responsibility for anything.

    Angry at the issue...not you dear.
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