"Hmm, student of Baphomet and Baal?...that was when people were really turned into cattle...roasted their new born babies at the alter, they did and were happy about it."
No, what they did was sacrifice individuals for a greater good.
Which is what the anti-abortionists are advocating.

"Isn't that what the Left always does...take something good and kill it?"
No, the left are altruists.
Which is why anti-abortionists are on the same side as them.

"Those slightly right of center, mystical of not, would never make people into cattle nor sheeple."
Then you must agree abortion should be perfectly legal.

"Who let the Trolls out"

Thanks for the laugh, Dino...You responded on their level...love it.

So leftists oppose abortions.
Now me dino has heard everything.
Excuse me, I have a flight to catch with Peter Pan.

Just last year, didn't NYC celebrate the Arch of the temple Baal?...coincidence?

Hmm, student of Baphomet and Baal?...that was when people were really turned into cattle...roasted their new born babies at the alter, they did and were happy about it.

Isn't that what the Left always does...take something good and kill it?

Those slightly right of center, mystical of not, would never make people into cattle nor sheeple.

Perfect!...that's it, I will never use PRO-gressive again.
Like I have often said: Forward...back to the days of Babylon...now we have a word for that.

Thank you.

No one can turn a true philosophy against those who understand and live by it. Supporting the right of abortion does not make anyone support welfare statism who doesn't already support it.

To grouse against those who defend women against the irrational, barbaric practice of forcing them to bear children they don't want because of objections to welfare statism is a vicious, irrational package deal far worse than guilt by non-association.

So is the attempt to tie that bizarre New Age academic's book to defending the right of abortion, along with the vicious tying of its "sacraments" to women who choose to have abortion.

The claim that such fringe nonsense demonstrates "abortion is a sacrament to many on the political left" is false. Even the left doesn't follow that. To then try to excuse the strawman by saying "the entire socialist movement is ridiculous" misses the difference between a serious movement driven by serious ideas that are wrong and a crackpot with little influence, dredged up to try to dismiss with false guilt by association all kinds of serious defense of the right of abortion.

You said "abortion is no more of a right than health insurance."
What am I supposed to conclude from that?

I didn't say anything about banning abortion.

"We aren't talking about a total stranger, here. We're talking about the biological child of a woman, so that pretty much invalidates that argument."
What argument does this invalidate?
Forcing someone to provide for the life of another, whether they be a stranger or not is, in principle, the exact same thing.

"And...wow! How someone can attempt to make a direct connection between pro-life conservatism and socialism...it almost leaves me speechless."
It's amazing how amazed you are about having such basic dots connected for you.
If you think you can force someone to carry to term, then what argument do you plan to use against forcing people to merely pay for things they don't support?
No argument is possible. You are on the same side as socialists.

So yes, today's political discourse is a farce of progressives vs very clueless conservatives, who don't seem to understand that they are on the same side, for very fundamental reasons.
They are all altruists and collectivists and agree that individuals should be sacrificed for the greater good.

That's not name calling.
The reason you don't think that combo makes sense is because you have not learnt to integrate.
To be right wing, is to stand for individual rights, rights protecting government and capitalism.

Today's conservatives are religious/traditionalist collectivists. Like all collectivists, this makes them leftists.
They want to ban abortion for these collectivist reasons.

So, not understanding that politics is about individualism vs collectivism, makes one politically illiterate, and opposing abortion makes someone a leftist.

So, taken together, politically illiterate, leftist.
I know that this isn't what you hear from the mainstream discourse, but the mainstream discourse is hopeless.

"--politically illiterate, religious leftists, such as yourself and other conservatives."
Not only are you calling me that, that combo does not make any sense.
A religious leftist would be a Catholic abortion supporter like Nancy Pelosi.

We aren't talking about a total stranger, here. We're talking about the biological child of a woman, so that pretty much invalidates that argument.

And...wow! How someone can attempt to make a direct connection between pro-life conservatism and socialism...it almost leaves me speechless.

If you understood socialism, at all, you would realize that forcing ME to pay for a woman's abortion IS socialism, pure and simple.

No one's called you names.
Everything you're saying is simply incorrect.

They have no arguments, are completely muddled, yet won't concede.

He meant, you failed to even remotely come close to any of his points, rendering your "response," unresponsive.
You may as well have not responded.

Well, ALL fetuses are unborn, by definition and things that are unborn don't have rights.

It's very clear what he says. Here is the specific quote:
"And it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s non-viable."

Your continued, feigned ignorance, is intellectually dishonest and tiresome.

Now I'm being called names. Not very civil.
I don't have to explain a thing to someone like you.

Looked it up. So from what I understand from what the governor said--and not at all very clearly--the doctor talks to mama about resuscitating a baby or letting it die.
Any doctor worth a crap would be immediatly resuscitating--not wasting time asking for permission.
Letting a baby die when one has the means to at least try to keep it alive is the same as committing murder.

Yes, regulating peoples sex lives is what the abortion issue has always been about, for the religious/traditionalist left, of the conservative movement.

The kind of far-left, authoritarians, that want to ban abortion and reduce half the population to the level of cattle, are a massive threat to EVERYONE's liberty, not just women's.

People who want to ban abortion are just as collectivist as any socialist.
You need to learn how to integrate your ideas and resolve contradictions.
Once you do that, you'll see that the anti-abortion position is not on the opposite side from socialist positions.

If you think you can force people to carry to term, you can't argue against being forced to pay for things you don't want to.