Trump says U.S. likely to go ahead with tariffs on Mexico over immigration

Posted by $ nickursis 5 years, 10 months ago to Government
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So, lets look at why Trump may be doing this dastardly, horrible deed, which will destroy millions of lives. Simple: The deep state claws are so deep, they control so much, and the unrestricted influx of foriegners is one of their primary weapons in destroying national identity to facilitate a move to a world government. If you destroy a countries identity, and culture, you homoginize the social structure, then you sell the idea of why we need a world wide government to ensure everything is divided up "fairly". Thus the huge muslim invasion of Europe, the wars in the middle east to force them to run, the political upheaval in south america to force them to run. Do you see a pattern? How do you fight back when only 10% of the country may actually see the big picture of all the manipulation of the last 80 years? Force them to battle. The demorats already laid down the parameters, "No emergency, no problem at border, no wall", yet there is typhus and typhoid fever breaking out in LA and San Francisco (and never a word from them on that "crisis"). So, you threaten tariffs on a country that is owned by the deep state and facilitates their machinations by ignoring any "people issues" (after you got you socialist candidate elected, there), and hammer them in what will, if carried out, crash their economy, and those of the many companies in the U.S. that, funny, have the primary support of the deep state side (Unions). The auto unions will go nuts because they will be schizophrenic, Trump may force companies to come back to the US, good for their members, but also he may hammer them when companies lay off US workers because of dropping sales. This will play out in many industries and has 2 sides, makes it cheaper to grow food and make things here, because the tariffs kill off the cheap labor thing, and also will make the US safer because we no longer import huge food amounts from Mexico, where they can be contaminated (and sometimes are) by "nefarious means". How many Ecoli outbreaks were traced to stuff brought in? How easy would it be to lace it with something much worse? How do you detect it? The war goes on....


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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is true, however, since the "money" we have is just fiat, it won't matter too much, but it is a real good argument to buy gold, silver and platinum now before the big boom happens...
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago
    It’s going to create a lot of dislocations in our economy until things readjust. Prices will have to reflect the actual amount of money printing out governmen has done
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would agree that the establishment plays games for its own hidden benefit

    I think the whole offshoring phenomenon started with American worker entitlement- taken advantaged of by collectivists here looking for votes by promising freebies

    The companies reacted by trying to get rid of American workers and finding places to manufacture that cost less, had fewer regulations, and reduced the cost of lawsuits

    China saw the opportunity and to their credit supplied what the companies wanted. Mexico COULD have too but did compete with China very well. China’s communists saw the opportunity to get the peasants to make money for the government and let them rule the world

    Our stupid government let it all happen by increasing USA worker expectations and regulations- feeding the fire of outsourcing
    Tariffs are a piss poor way to stop this. We need NOW elimination if minimum wage, overtime laws, worker regulations etc

    Chinese stuff costs 1/3 of what USA mfrs charge. 25% tariff is just a tax but does nothing to shift mfg back to the USA tariffs would have to be 300% to do that, and would result in unacceptable price increases here

    I will grant you that our government was in favor of the shift to China. The cost savings to companies allowed for the inflation caused by the rampant printing of money to be hidden. If manufacturing came back to the USA, prices here would rise to the levels they should have been all along

    The problem was caused by government policies and I don’t think it can be fixed by boycotting China or Mexico or Canada. We need a gold standard to allow costs in China to rise and equalize trade
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don’t forget the impact of the intense competition AMONG Chinese suppliers . I think you might be living a bit in the past and not recognizing the effect of competition on product quality and availability
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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    term, the biggest increase in BOTH Japanese and American auto quality (amongnst others), was the adoption of statistical quality control processes (The Demming method). SPC was the biggest improvement post WW2, and Demming went to Japan to help restart their industry and they embraced it tightly. He had a much harder time in the U.S. The standard story is bout transmissions and the statistical proof of how quality in various part manufacturing significantly reduced variation and improved quality. I remember Toyota being a cheap trash truck back in the late 60's and early 70's and then rapidly became a high quality item in the 80's. We lost based on the simpletons we produce as management who only look at the cost, and cannot grasp the concept of quality as a cost measure, so they all went to China, made contracts, which the Chinese broke, and delivered inferior materials, and laughed. They then scream "racist" when a company objected. Mattel was the example of that crap. When they did that, I swore off China when possible.
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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand, that is part of the setup: send companies out of the country, for cheap labor, or materials,or whatever. Then make it so expensive to operate that no one will come back. That has been the system for the last 40 years. Any wonder the democrats and Clinton campaigns got millions of dollars in donations back in the 90's? Think about it, this has been a long time being set up. You just have to work with the conditions you have. My point is, as a consumer, I CAN impact things by not buying anything Chinese, that I can avoid, since it is usually crap.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I dont have dog in this hunt at all. Frankly its a pain in the butt to have to order from companies 10000 miles away that speak another language. We only do it because its not possible to obtain the items we need to make our product from US vendors that make it here at a decent price.

    I am not promoting the chinese at all. I have had other businesses in the USA where we were vertically integrated and made everything right here in the USA. Its just not possible financially to do the same thing in our partly capitalistic welfare society- and stay in business against the chinese imports of finished goods that we have to compete with. I have thought every time I send money over there that I am propping up a vcicious totalitarian regime and it will come back to haunt us in the end.

    In Nevada they just passed a minimum wage increase which will make it even more difficult to make things here.

    As to the quality issues, have to stick with what I know is true at least in my personal experience. I agree that there is a common feeling that chinese stuff is cheap crap.
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  • Posted by exceller 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The Chinese are the opposite, which is why they are whipping our asses "

    No, they are not.

    You obviously have an interest in promoting Chinese which is your business.

    With all due respect I disagree with that assumption.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am willing to accept the idea I can’t generalize on Chinese quality based on my experiences. I do think also that Chinese quality has steadily risen over time and “ being well known” may have been borne out of earlier experiences.

    If Chinese quality was so bad, we wouldn’t have lost our manufacturing sector to them. Remember that in the past American car quality was terrible and it took the Japanese to force Americans to keep even the fraction of it that’s left here

    Biggest prob with Americans is that as a group we are entitled, not very ambitious, we disparage competition and capitalism

    The Chinese are the opposite, which is why they are whipping our asses
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  • Posted by exceller 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You may have been luckier on your vendor selection, but you can't generalize and apply that generalization to the entire Chinese industry.

    It is well known that Chinese products are NOT as good as products made in this country and ignoring that fact would be a mistake.

    You remember the Parker pens made by China decades ago, bypassing patent restrictions?

    Everybody who bought them was aware they were not buying genuine Parker and they did not perform as well. But they were cheap.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think there should be an outright embargo on China, Vietnam, and all other totalitarian states. Not a tariff, an embargo. Also, there should be medical examinations on foreigners coming in (and maybe returning citizens), and a quarantine, if warranted. At a minimum.
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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good idea. I have a real problem with just not putting in a couple gates, and when they show up, show them to it and say "Good Luck". I didin't invite you here, this is my home,and you are not squatting here. Go fix your own country. I spent 20 years defending mine, go do it there...
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  • Posted by mccannon01 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes a quarantine. Welcome the illegals in, bus to port, ship to Gitmo for processing. I read recently 192,000 family units were catch and released so far in fiscal 2019. A lot were single moms with no employment possibilities in sight. Therefore, straight onto the assistance dole. Read elsewhere the average family on welfare receives $37,000 (or more) annually meaning these families cost the taxpayer a cool $7.1 BILLION the first year after crossing the border. It would seem to be a lot cheaper to take the Gitmo option, especially since once word got around that's what we're doing the illegal border crossing population would become like a ghost town.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    First article inspection is critical. We always get samples first and do lot inspections when qualifying a vendor. Our savior is the intense competition between vendors in china Don’t make it right and you lose the order. Same as with USA vendors

    Note Foxconn who makes apple stuff. Whatever they do seems to work. I haven’t ever had quality issues with my iPhones
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  • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Do you recall the issue they had with adding melanine to milk? It was a big deal a couple of years ago but to me is one more example of not only terrible QC on their products, but just malicious intent.
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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thats where it falls apart, you understand the responsibility of a vendor to ensure his supply chain is up to snuff. Remember Mattel about 4 years ago? The contracted for a billion or so Hot Wheels, specified in the contract "No lead based paint" and then when they tested some, they had lead in it, and when they demanded their money back, the Chinese said no, and then screamed "racist".That was my defining moment with china stuff.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In many respects China has s more capitalistic economy than the USA, at least at the operational level. Production in USA is heavily regulated particularly when it comes to employees and taxes. It just costs in China 1/3 of what it costs here in the USA to make the same thing. That’s why production moved overseas

    We buy 70% of our components from China in order to stay in business. Take out China and our economy will crash. Eventually things will stabilize when made in USA returns but prices will be up to 3x higher than now

    That said, I don’t think China is our friend, and I don’t like supporting their communist government at all. Our government is pretty stupid to print money as it does and waste it on socialist policies. Buying from Chiba has hidden the price inflation we should be experiencing but aren’t. Bring manufacturing back to USA and we will experience the full brunt of inflation that we deserve after all our deficit spending
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Shame on Home Depot. They selected the vendor and as a customer you are relying on the reputation of Home Depot. Obviously Home Depot isn’t doing their jjob in properly specifying what they put on the shelves.

    The Chinese economy is very competitive and prices and quality vary by vendor just as they do for USA mfrs.

    I would estimate that most of home depot’s ( as well other stores) Offerings are made in China at this point. I can tell you that the parts we buy from China are 1/3 the price of ones actually made here and we specify and have gotten excellent quality.

    It’s up to us to do proper sourcing and stand behind our products, no matter where we source our components.
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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Uh, all this has been ran through over and over and over...if we just enforced existing rules, and did not let the demonrats roll us over with "family seperation" and other whiny excuses, the issue would not exist. This has been crafted by the demonrats and the deep state for a long time, to support division, getting millions of new voters through the use of "motor voter" and other illegal schemes, and no court has forced the issue, since they too are corrupt. Killing the deep state is a long term, multi threaded project, waking people up to the fact it exists and will hurt them if they don;'t get stopped, is what we need to do, and vote the Republicrats and Demonrats out.
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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is true, and the money being handed under the table and to Bidens son, will be what is used to knock us out. The system was designed to send business out, by making it required to raise your profits a huge amount per quarter or your stock died, and also, once one company moved, all their competitors had to go or die as well. Intel built a 2 billion dollar fab, and trained thousands of Chinese on how to make chips, and the story was they "had to be 2 generations behind" in technology. But the basics are there and it does not take rocket science to improve. We handed them how to build state of the art electronics on a platter.
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  • Posted by $ 5 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I will disagree, the Chinese get away with whatever they can and are poor business people. I bought some "stainless steel braided" water lines for my sinks and withing 2 months, they had corroded to powder, made in china. Took them back to Home Depot, and they refused to take them "manufacturer defect", not ours. Numerous issues with electronics poorly made, minimal effort at quality, and horrible instructions. Engrish is not my forte.Companies went cheap, because china labor is cheap, but quality is not.
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