Who Can You Trust?

Posted by Herb7734 5 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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Do politicians lie to you? Most Gulchers will, I think, will agree that they do.A better question may be, ;Do politicians ever tell you the truth? I have discovered that the people are lied to primarily in order to keep the liar or liars in office. They may use excuses such as it's for the good of the country, or that it may not look good, but in the long run, it's a matter of something bad that will eventually be a good outcome. For example, the two world wars.In both cases the USA had decided to be neutral. Everyone knew that the neutrality depended largely on the combatants leaving America alone. If the USA was attacked, it would respond by by joining the side that didn't attack them. In both WW1 and WW2 the antagonist was comprised of Germany and others who faced off against the allies who were made up of Britain and France Japan, was the powerhouse who allied themselves with Germany.So, without writing an entire history book, here's what was told to the American people. In WW1 The land war had devolved into trench warfare which was a stalemate. It amounted to who could keep their armies supplied with munitions and supplemental materials . Germany was in a better position to do so as Britain needed to get it's supplies mostly from the USA. British ships carrying war materials from America became the target of German submarines. The Germans managed to sink most of British shipping so they started hiding war materials on American ships. Eventually, the Germans got wise to this and issued warnings to America that if American ships or British ships carrying Americans and hiding war cargo for England would become legitimate targets of war,So now comes the british ship The Lusitania. A huge four stack liner with four giant turbines that was the fastest thing afloat in those times. She was nicknamed "The Greyhound." The forward cabins were scooped out and in their place were water tight bins filled with guncotton. A highly inflammable chemical needed for use with arms such as cannons.

When the Lusitania sailed from the USA to England, the Germans knew about the illicit cargo.Four submarines were sent after the Greyhounf which was Lusitania's nickname and at the peril of their lives the Germans warned The Lusitania that if they didn't turn around and off-load their armaments they would be fired upon. The sleek beautiful ship paid no attention. Even though it contained over 100 Americans it was also filled with women and children. Over a thousand of them.

In 1941, the Japanese needed war materials, and like the England of 1915, got it's material from America. Once America cut them off they decided to punish America and get what they needed by threatening further punishment. They attacked the American Fleet at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii and decimated.it.In the case of the Luisitania, First Lord of the Amiralty,Winston Churchill and American soon-to-be-sec. of state Robert Lansing were complicit in maneuvering the slaughter. In the case of Pearl Harbor, our "Good pal" Winnie was once again "Saving" England at the expense of hundreds of lives. The press was told that the Lusitania was attacked without warning and that the women and children escaping in lifeboats were shot by Germans from the submarines as they sat helpless in their wooden boats.Which was a complete fabrication. In the case of Pearl harbor, Churchill and President Franklin D. Roosevelt Knew 10 months in advance of the planned attack.

In both cases, both attacks could have been avoided if the best interests o the people were truly put in first place.
Those were the biggest lies I could think of. You can multiply those by the hundreds, or perhaps thousands of lies told by the "Elites" to us poor ignorant common folks.So, if your first impression is that you're being lied to, you are probably right..


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  • Posted by mccannon01 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I got some of my information by attending a lecture on Japanese samurai history less than a year ago. The individual was a practitioner of the samurai arts and had been to Japan on numerous occasions to study the subject. He had displays of various original artifacts including a helmet whose outline fit the Toyota logo. Including the name "Honda" in my post may have been an error on my part of remembering the list of modern companies he named in his lecture about surviving samurai family names in Japan today. He mentioned several car companies and a few others. I knew of the Mitsubishi zeroes a long time ago.
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  • Posted by Lucky 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Soichiro Honda, the founder of Honda Motors was the son of a blacksmith who had a bicycle repair business. His mother was a weaver, she designed a loom to weave particularly complex patterns.

    The current Toyota logo is from 1989. It is described by the company with the usual pyscho-social guff, I have seen no reference to helmets.
    etc.
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  • Posted by Lucky 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok, nothing strange or unusual about those movements. The conclusion (I make) is that they were not sent out by someone who knew about the attack in advance and wanted them out of the way.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, and the zeroes were built by Mitsubishi - the car company today. The major Japanese war machine companies were evolved from samurai families (Mitsubishi, Honda, and Toyota are three of many). The Toyota symbol is an outline of a samurai helmet. Not that all this means much today, but it's interesting history.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There were only two carriers in the Pacific at the time, USS Enterprise, and USS Lexington. Both had been ordered to bring aircraft to Midway and Wake islands, to help reinforce their defenses. Enterprise was supposed to arrive back at Pearl on the 6th, but got held up by a storm, or it would have been attacked in harbor on the 7th. Lexington was on the way to Midway when the attack happened, and turned around to try to find the Japanese fleet.

    Some writers mistakenly include the USS Saratoga as one of the carriers based at Pearl, but it was based out of the West coast, and was in San Diego when the attack happened.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most people want free stuff but expect others to pay for it. No wonder we aren’t “unified”. Takers and producers can never be unified
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  • Posted by 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Everyone knew everyone's secrets. They had many spies and codes were broken on both sides.FDR was positive that if the USA didn't enter the war, that slavering madman, Hitler, would easily conquor all Europe and the Russian parts of Asia.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, ma Belle, sadly it is true. Roosevelt was one of the elites whose kinship to the English upper classes led him to have sympathies to them. He, of course knew what was good for the middle class better than they knew themselves. Yes, he knew how to talk (down) to them and was a winner as an orator, but he never for a minute forgot that he was better than them, so it was his duty to lead them even if it meant the ultimate sacrifice (for them). However, if you do just a bit of research, you'll discover pretty irrefutable evidence of Roosevelt's deceit. I was raised in a very Democrat family and he was my hero until I learned to think for myself. My cousins still won't talk politics to me, since I keep destroying all their diatribes which makes them look ignorant. Which they aren't. They are smart ant learned but their brains remain stymied when applied to what they consider to be justified loyalty.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It all boils down to a line from "Cyrano" When the sacrifice of war could be avoided, it was"Gentlemen, you will be so kind as to lay down your lives."
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  • Posted by Lucky 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks DrZ.
    The carriers- Yes the carriers were not in port. Do you have any background on that? Was it all of them, when moved, for what reason- another mission, who gave the instruction? Would it have been normal for all the carriers based at Pearl Harbor to move out at the same time?
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  • Posted by 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Pearl Harbor was decimated by steel from the scrap left by the torn down elevated train in NYC. Ironic?
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  • Posted by 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not only did they kill almost 3,000 Americans but they sunk pretty much all of the Pacific Fleet.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 5 years, 2 months ago
    I certainly do not like FDR, and I resent the way he and his New Deal have been crammed down our throats. But I don't understand just how you know that he (or Churchill) knew about the Pearl Harbor attack 10 months in advance. I am not unwilling to listen, but at this point I don't necessarily buy it.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 5 years, 2 months ago
    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." (George Santayana) we can say the same for politicians and bureaucrats. Fro them, you could change the wording by substituting the word - Lies. The media should add-in that context as well. This morning watching FBN some of the news personnel are falsifying info they are saying on-air by their body language and the number of times they are blinking their eyes. It seems that the virus and tumbling of the Sock Market have them rattled. Trump is pretty masterful at shading the truth. We know for sure that the Dem's speak blatant lies. In their eyes, the common folk ".... can't handle the Truth."
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 2 months ago
    What FDR did was to ban scrap metal sales to Japan, because that market was the primary source of materials they needed to build weapons. That was the first trigger that led Tojo to conclude that war was inevitable. FDR next stopped the sale of oil to Japan, which gave them no choice but to find other sources in Southeast Asian countries. When the English and the Dutch followed FDR's lead on oil sales, Japan decided to invade their colonies for oil and rubber supplies.

    Ironically, Tojo favored the Japanese army plans to pour more effort into subduing China, with an invasion of the USSR to follow, since many Siberian troops had been sent West to fight the Nazi invasion. There was little favor in a naval battle with the largest fleet in the world, but FDR's moves had forced them to invade territories held by US allies. If the Pearl Harbor attack had carried out the third strike as originally planned, and destroyed our naval fuel supplies, we could have been kept out of the fight for nearly two years. Lucky for us, the cautious Admiral Nagumo was unsettled when his pilots reported no aircraft carriers in Pearl Harbor, and feared that if he didn't withdraw, those carriers could find and destroy his entire force.

    Another connivance FDR was engaged in was to support the return of our European allies to their Southeast Asian colonies. That had an impact that helped start the Vietnam conflict. Ho Chi Minh's partisans worked with our OSS in fighting the Japanese, and were promised that the US would not support the recolonization of their territory. While a communist, the Vietnamese leader did not like the idea of becoming a subject of either the USSR or China, and could have become the "Tito of the East," independent like the Yugoslav leader. Unfortunately, the lie he was told destroyed any friendly thoughts he had about the US, and made him seek aid from the USSR.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We buy and pay for something from a Chinese company for $1000. They ship it to us in the USA. It arrives in the USA and has to be cleared by us customs before it is released. Us customs multiplied the invoice amount by the Tariff ( currently 25%} and makes us pay $250 to the us government before they release it to me.

    I think except for a few lies, trump has been better than any democrat. That said, he sticks to the lie that the Chinese pay for his tariffs
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  • Posted by mspalding 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Chinese goods are shipped to the US at a certain price. Then customs adds the tariff to that price. So you the customer now pay the original price plus the tariff. The Chinese just have reduced sales due to the higher prices we pay. Worse, many American products use parts made in China. The tariffs make those parts more expensive. And thus the American products are more expensive. In all cases, we pay.
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  • Posted by rhfinle 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I understand it, Japan had to find an alternative source of oil and had decided to attack and secure the Philippines. They attacked the US fleet at Pearl Harbor to remove any major opposition to that. The assumption was the US would focus their remaining fleets on Europe. Yamamoto knew better than to awaken Gojira-san but he had his orders.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since I'm no longer in a small business, I cannot challenge you on that score. As to who pays the tariffs-- could you lay out how that works? How we wind up paying them? I am not a Trumpeter so if he screws up, I'd like to know about it. So far, I think he's done pretty good, but "By their acts shall you know them."
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    parties are marketing organizations designed to provide money for seeking office. Not a good thing at all. If you passed a law that said that NO LAW could be used to take from one to give to another, big changes would be made. The end of lobbyists and perhaps even using the government to get goodies for certain groups.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes indeed. That's a very good lie, if there is such a thing). Also, we can't have the legislators embarrassing themselves, can we?
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  • Posted by 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, the first thing I'd do is to ban parties. Only one loyalty -- that is, to the people of the USA. That is the first consideration and anything else comes after that. From that time forward the only conflict will be on different ways to utilize laws , concepts, premises, and rationality will prevail above all else. (Probably never happen).
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  • Posted by LAKSHMI 5 years, 2 months ago
    I just assume that EVERYTHING that any politician says is a LIE unless solidly proven otherwise.
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