Buttigieg's Elephant

Posted by Casebier 5 years, 2 months ago to Politics
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A late night conversation around a campfire at a recent Indian Guides campout (after the boys had gone to bed) turned to a discussion of Buttigieg's "elephant in the room", namely his gay marriage and what that portends for the White House should he be elected. I was surprised at a comment of one of our tribe's African-American dads that his faith and its opposition to gay marriage would make it very difficult, even as a Democrat, to vote to have a "dude" as a "first lady". He's Southern Baptist. This led to wonder if the candidate's gay marriage will ever be openly discussed from a standpoint of how the country and/or presidency will be acceptable to people of faith both in the US and internationally, especially both fundamental Christians and Muslims. While I've always assumed that sooner or later we'd have a female President and a male "First Gentleman", I admit I'm not sure I'm ready for the President of the United States publicly holding hands, or having other public display's of affection,with his husband. Comments appreciated.


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  • Posted by $ blarman 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Personally while I may not always vote Republican. I can assure you that I will NEVER vote Democrat."

    Right with you there.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 5 years, 2 months ago
    Sorry, but many in my "generation" look (and continue to look) with disdain on homosexuality. The old comment "I don't care what goes on in their bedroom" is no longer the issue when they bring their relationship out into public.

    Though I have happily worked alongside admittedly queer people, it still disgusts me to see acts, normally acceptable between men and women, shared by two of the same sex.

    I have no concerns about the religious beliefs of a Presidential candidate and possibly would consider a female, should she exhibit the necessary attributes. However, I will never accept a candidate who openly exhibits attributes that many consider "unnatural" in human society.
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  • Posted by bobsprinkle 5 years, 2 months ago
    My comment is to all here. Not just rainman0720.
    A completely agree that interaction and negotations with muslim countries can be absolutely affected. I seriously doubt he would be "allowed" to bring his "husband" to their country. America can allow what it wants within its borders. But, we cannot force it on others. It is just another problem we DO NOT need. International negotiations/treaties complicated by this??? We do not need it.
    There were enough rumors floating around about NObama.
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    At this point, I am burned out on the whole thing. Eventually the country will turn socialist, at least in 2024. Hopefully, until then we can slow down socialism somewhat with Trump. Not totally, but maybe make the progression a little slower
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What butthead does in his bedroom really doesnt have anything to do with how he would do the job as chief administrator of a large government bureaucracy. So I say, leave it alone. There is plenty of reason NOT to hire him for the job as president.
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    Posted by term2 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would be happier if there were no card carrying muslims anywhere near me. I dont like the idea in their Koran that says non believers should be killed- PERIOD
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that the dragging of spouses around to political events is stupid. They have nothing to do with their husband's job and should stay out of public appearances
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  • Posted by term2 5 years, 2 months ago
    Butthead's gayness doesnt bother me at all. He doesnt seem to consider it the basis of any entitlement, and I think he can run his life however he wants without interference from me.

    That said, he IS a democrat and wants bigger government, which kicks him out of the running for me. He will probably never make it as the democratic nominee, as their bent is to get a woman in there before a gay dude. Unfortunately this time around, democrats are so intent on getting rid of Trump that they have very little to offer the country.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 5 years, 2 months ago
    In my lifetime, I've had gay friends and relatives dear to me. I've reached a point that I have no opinion on acceptance or rejection on an individual level. I've learned to make the judgment on the individual person only. They are a good person, indifferent or an SOB. Pretty much like anyone else. Having said that, I've made it clear when asked, that there are only two biological sexes, regardless of what you think you are. Also, that to me marriage is between a man and a woman.
    Currently, about 4.5% of the population is gay. A little over 7 millions. That may seem like a lot. To me that is a very small number compared to the rest of the population. Therefore, I don't believe that Buttigieg's lifestyle of choice represents me or the rest of the American voters. Not to mention Buttigieg's cuck ideas on issues affecting America. I also think his pandering to specific groups for votes is nauseating.
    Perhaps I am generalizing too much in this day and age, but as a Hispanic, someone like Buttigieg would not draw too many Hispanic votes from any other candidate. Backwards or not, we Hispanic men still hold a streak of machismo in which men and women act and have different roles in relationships. Right now the DNC doesn't really have a worthy candidate to go against Trump. I guess they'll have to come up with a swim suit competition to determine a winner. If so, Trump can give them guidance on that too.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 5 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's telling, Abaco, that many of us, you (and I) included, feel a need to defend our tolerance or lack of hate, simply because we don't agree with what someone else is doing, and we know we'll be called out on it.

    THAT is how far the liberal agenda has infiltrated our consciousness. We can't even say we don't like a certain behavior, or that we think it's wrong!
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 5 years, 2 months ago
    There is so much wrong with him that this is only one more thing. Personally while I may not always vote Republican. I can assure you that I will NEVER vote Democrat.
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  • Posted by mia767ca 5 years, 2 months ago
    leave the gay issue alone...butty is a fascist-communist totalitarian...he is pro-slavery...anti-freedom....anto-liberty...gay is small potatoes
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 5 years, 2 months ago
    I have a feeling that the South Carolina primary will send a clear signal that black voters are definitely not comfortable with the idea of a gay president. Right now, Mayor Pete appears to have the lowest level of support from SC black voters of any Democratic candidate.

    As things develop, I'm betting we will find that Hispanic voters are just as uncomfortable with the idea of a gay president. Ironically, both black and Hispanic voters are more morally conservative than their white counterparts, who are very much into virtue signalling their tolerance for deviant practices. That's the real "war" in the Democrat party, moral progressives vs moral conservatives.
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    Posted by $ allosaur 5 years, 2 months ago
    Me dino predicts that Muslim mullahs will have a field day pointing out that a gay president proves the USA is indeed the Great Satan while recruiting more suicide "martyrs" than ever before.
    Oh, yeah, new thought. Open borders.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 5 years, 2 months ago
    In Iowa, there was a Mayor Pete voter who just discovered (on camera) that he was gay; she totally freaked out, and asked for her signed card back, saying she had no idea he was like that. (Her ignorance as a voter is a topic for another discussion.)

    I don't generally make blanket statements, but I'd be willing to bet there are a lot of people across the country who agree with you, who just aren't ready for a President and his husband in the White House.

    It could pose some logistic problems, as I don't think his marriage would be recognized everywhere he went. And I quite agree that could very well cause some serious problems with certain cultures (one of which throws gay men off rooftops).

    (Warning: Completely subjective opinion to follow.) My issue with the idea is the radical push he would make to further shove the so-called LGBTAtoZ "rights" deeper and deeper into mainstream America (no pun intended; I just don't know how else to word that idea).

    And I hope nobody accepts the media like that this guy is a moderate Dem. He's just as radical as any other D running; he's just being quiet about it.

    However, if he is the candidate, I don't think the media will "allow" President Trump to make a campaign issue of it. He'll be branded as "Homophobe In Chief" if he utters even one word about it.

    So while it may be an elephant, I don't think it's one that can or will be a campaign topic. Trump can blast the Sanders/et al Medicare for All plans, and he can show the utter idiocy of any kind of Green New Deal. But the alphabet groups? Totally off limits. It might be the biggest mistake Trump could make that could seriously jeopardize his re-election chances.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 5 years, 2 months ago
    I'm not "comfortable" with it. Doesn't mean I feel any "hate" or that I'm intolerant. Voters, I think, will have to face this in their own hearts and minds pretty soon. I think Pete sounds like an intelligent guy. I don't agree with him. And, I was hoping for more funny ramblings from Joe...But, I'm sick like that...
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  • Posted by mccannon01 5 years, 2 months ago
    The PC left doesn't give a damn what Christians think, but how the left settles LGBT darlings vs Muslim darlings is going to place them in a quandary. Selling American PC to certain foreign countries to maintain respect will be a tough bird to fly as well. Probably a moot point as I doubt Booty will ever be Pres anyway.
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  • Posted by Lucky 5 years, 2 months ago
    Another view is that senior public figures, not just but mostly in government, need to drag around their spouses to events, negotiations and meetings.
    Time to stop it.
    Then, some of that kind of objection may dissipate, comment on the policies and actions not the sex/gender of the current squeeze.
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