Hello rbunce, I concur, I am just passing along the reports for vetting. I will reserve judgement and respect the findings of our system. Police are not perfect and we have seen plenty of abuse. Respectfully, O.A.
Indeed, teri-amborn. Too many are in a hurry to string someone up from the nearest tree. I wish to let due process take its course and weigh all reports. It is unfortunate that this police department had not yet installed dash-cams. Much speculation and knee jerk reaction could have been avoided.
Hello rmcd1957, Please note the ? mark in my initial comment and my additional comments. I have drawn no conclusions, only presented alternative reports. I admit that I do not know what happened (I was not there) and refuse to accept what you apparently have until the investigation and jury has made its determination. I suggest that you investigate the other related threads on this site from other contributors related to this matter. There have been multiple reports on other news outlets reporting as many as a dozen other witnesses as well as the video immediately shot at the scene of an eye witness contradicting the narrative you seem so ready to accept. As far as police brutality goes I have been consistent and denounced such actions when they are caught on tape for all to see, or proven by due process and readily admit of their existence. I take each case individually and try to find all evidence (pro and con) and weigh it accordingly.
I am in agreement with you regarding the excessive force with King and Gardner.
It has now been reported by several sources that the officer was beaten in the face and had his orbital eye socket broken, during a struggle for the officer's gun. When the stunned police officer ordered Mr. Brown to stop he is reported to have charged the officer and in the officer's condition with a busted eye socket and a 292# man charging him is it any wonder that many shots were fired? He probably thought he was missing and from the diagram released from the coroner the shots were not well placed. Would you have been happier if only one shot to the heart took the man down? Dead is dead. I have not made these reports up and I do not know of their veracity since I was not there, But, I will not rush to judgement and allow innocence until guilt is proven for both Mr. Brown and Officer Wilson. It may be that the officer was in error. Can you acknowledge the possibility that he may not have been?
The looters that hurt innocent business owners have no excuse. They hurt the cause and create apprehension, bigotry and prejudice that probably colors the perception of law enforcement as well as others.
As far as this report being "the most racist vitriol I have ever seen." Well, that is a subjective matter. Please point out the specific comments in this article that are racist in your mind. I am open minded and trying to understand. It came across my e-mail and I passed it along for vetting. Your input and perspective is appreciated and noted. I weigh all.
Of course Johnson took it all back. Because witness after witness has now come forward, to corroborate the first witness to tell a story that made sense. Which is:
Officer Wilson made the stop, just to get Brown to the sidewalk. Brown attacked Wilson then. (I learned how brutally within the last twenty-four hours.) Then Brown walked away. But Officer Wilson would be derelict in his duty if he did not run that guy in for assaulting an officer. So he drew his service weapon--maybe he had to reload it--and said, "Freeze!"
When a police officer tells you to freeze, YOU FREEZE. But Brown did not freeze. He put his hands up, all right, but said, "What, are you going to shoot me?"
Now if he had walked away, that might have drawn a single shot--into the air, for warning.
But Brown didn't walk away. He hunkered down and charged back in.
Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. What else was Wilson to do?
From the Sword of Truth series: Wizards First Rule: Wizard's First Rule: People are stupid. People will believe a lie because either they WANT it to be true, or they are AFRAID it is true.
It's human nature to believe the first thing that you are told...and often THAT'S not the truth. It's not "justice" to lash out and destroy the lives and livelihoods of people who have done nothing to you. A wait-and-see attitude and a DOJ which weighs all the evidence first is what is needed right now in Ferguson.
The sad thing is that Ferguson is just a pimple in the world scheme of things. 10 days of almost nothing but Ferguson is a sad commentary on our country and what we look like in the eyes of the world. Unfortunately, it will just keep getting worse unless there is a definite change in our government.
Well, that's easy,,, we were (once again) becoming "post-racist" so he had to fix that....
... kind of like he fixed Health Care, the Economy, and our Rights as Citizens. Not to mention closing Gitmo and keeping us out of the Middle East et. al, ad nauseum...
Like the gangsters in the 30's said... Guess the fix is in...
Like every other opportunity to turn a peaceful protest into some kind of race-centric riot-based media circus... Remember the "occupy" thing? Same happened there - the opportunist looters and thug-uglies saw opportunity knocking, and went and stirred up stuff, and their media puppies were hot on their tail, getting the ratings, er, story...
This is why the 2nd amendment needs to be protected so we can defend ourselves. Cops = 25 min. 357 mag. = 2500 ft/per second. Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by 6
How can a country the Prez touted in 2008 as being post-racist become the racial cauldron it seems to be going into? Ideas, anyone? I'm getting to the point where I may not want to be around black people simply because if they try to hurt me or take something from me --not that they would, of course--the police would not be able to protect me because they would probably get into deep trouble. And I've never been racist!!
Of course not. Nixon is openly pandering to voters, I half expected him to start sniveling and squeak out "please don't hurt me, it's not my fault"... They only believe what they WANT to be true... no matter how many FACTS present themselves. It's all about the agenda and pay back. :(
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I concur, I am just passing along the reports for vetting. I will reserve judgement and respect the findings of our system. Police are not perfect and we have seen plenty of abuse.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Please note the ? mark in my initial comment and my additional comments. I have drawn no conclusions, only presented alternative reports. I admit that I do not know what happened (I was not there) and refuse to accept what you apparently have until the investigation and jury has made its determination. I suggest that you investigate the other related threads on this site from other contributors related to this matter. There have been multiple reports on other news outlets reporting as many as a dozen other witnesses as well as the video immediately shot at the scene of an eye witness contradicting the narrative you seem so ready to accept. As far as police brutality goes I have been consistent and denounced such actions when they are caught on tape for all to see, or proven by due process and readily admit of their existence. I take each case individually and try to find all evidence (pro and con) and weigh it accordingly.
I am in agreement with you regarding the excessive force with King and Gardner.
It has now been reported by several sources that the officer was beaten in the face and had his orbital eye socket broken, during a struggle for the officer's gun. When the stunned police officer ordered Mr. Brown to stop he is reported to have charged the officer and in the officer's condition with a busted eye socket and a 292# man charging him is it any wonder that many shots were fired? He probably thought he was missing and from the diagram released from the coroner the shots were not well placed. Would you have been happier if only one shot to the heart took the man down? Dead is dead. I have not made these reports up and I do not know of their veracity since I was not there, But, I will not rush to judgement and allow innocence until guilt is proven for both Mr. Brown and Officer Wilson. It may be that the officer was in error. Can you acknowledge the possibility that he may not have been?
The looters that hurt innocent business owners have no excuse. They hurt the cause and create apprehension, bigotry and prejudice that probably colors the perception of law enforcement as well as others.
As far as this report being "the most racist vitriol I have ever seen." Well, that is a subjective matter. Please point out the specific comments in this article that are racist in your mind. I am open minded and trying to understand. It came across my e-mail and I passed it along for vetting. Your input and perspective is appreciated and noted. I weigh all.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Officer Wilson made the stop, just to get Brown to the sidewalk. Brown attacked Wilson then. (I learned how brutally within the last twenty-four hours.) Then Brown walked away. But Officer Wilson would be derelict in his duty if he did not run that guy in for assaulting an officer. So he drew his service weapon--maybe he had to reload it--and said, "Freeze!"
When a police officer tells you to freeze, YOU FREEZE. But Brown did not freeze. He put his hands up, all right, but said, "What, are you going to shoot me?"
Now if he had walked away, that might have drawn a single shot--into the air, for warning.
But Brown didn't walk away. He hunkered down and charged back in.
Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. What else was Wilson to do?
Wizards First Rule: Wizard's First Rule: People are stupid. People will believe a lie because either they WANT it to be true, or they are AFRAID it is true.
It's not "justice" to lash out and destroy the lives and livelihoods of people who have done nothing to you.
A wait-and-see attitude and a DOJ which weighs all the evidence first is what is needed right now in Ferguson.
... kind of like he fixed Health Care, the Economy, and our Rights as Citizens. Not to mention closing Gitmo and keeping us out of the Middle East et. al, ad nauseum...
Like the gangsters in the 30's said... Guess the fix is in...
Of course, the police can't protect you in the first place. They only clean up the mess afterwards.
Respectfully,
O.A.
I'm getting to the point where I may not want to be around black people simply because if they try to hurt me or take something from me --not that they would, of course--the police would not be able to protect me because they would probably get into deep trouble.
And I've never been racist!!
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