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Proposed Florida anti-rioting laws "merely a legal excuse to mow down pedestrians"

Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 7 months ago to Legislation
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If you want to protest, stay on the sidewalks. The moment you start blocking the roadways and threatening traffic is when your rights to peaceful assembly cease to exist.


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  • Posted by rtpetrick 4 years, 7 months ago
    Perhaps it is way past the time to declare martial law when "peaceful protests" become violent riots and to start shooting the rioters and looters....and I don't mean with pepper spray and rubber bullets...
    Of course, I could be wrong.
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  • Posted by wmiranda 4 years, 7 months ago
    Personally, I avoid those situations when possible. Should it happen where I'm surrounded by an angry mob, I would stay in the car, then move forward. If I run over someone, oh well. If someone takes a shot, I'll shoot back. I rarely miss within 21 feet, never within 10.
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  • Posted by GaryL 4 years, 7 months ago
    Good for DeSantis and this new legislation should not even be necessary anywhere in the USA. If a mob surrounds my car and means me and my family harm then the ones in front or behind will simply be speed bumps. If they break windows and attempt to get in then I am in fear of my life or the lives of my family and they pushed their luck. Yes, there is insurance for those who carry concealed weapons and it will cover you and provide legal defense attorneys but you still have to JUSTIFY your actions and be in the RIGHT. I too am a retired Corrections Sergeant and was a weapons training officer but I will not be "Busting any Cap" while I am using deadly physical force and protecting myself and family from a life threatening incident. I live in a very rural area yet bad things happen all around here and all the time and it is getting worse by the day.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm a retired corrections officer who was trained to shoot and I can still shoot tight groups at the range.
    Thanks for the advice but should I have to defend myself I'll just have to. Odds are I'll never have to shoot anyone but I try to keep myself mentally prepared.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There's a credit union I use for a bank. I haven't gone inside since the pandemic started; but when I did enter that "gun free zone," I always had a pocket pistol concealed.
    I always had a polite something to say to the armed guard, who would be the first concern of any bank robber who followed me in.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That stuck-behind-another-car (or a lot of other cars) is the situation that scares me the most. Like you staying out of your downtown area, I stay out of Tulsa downtown too. There's that entire Greenwood area where a bunch of blacks were massacred 99 years ago. It was horrific, I'm sure, but tearing up my car isn't going to bring a single one of those people back. The way they go about all this "protesting," you'd think it would for sure make Lazaruses out of all of the dead.

    My husband is very easy going, which is nice because wherever I go, he wants to go too. And he never goes anywhere unarmed unless it's illegal to do so, and then he's armed right up until he has no further choice. It's hard for me to believe that there was actually a time when I thought being armed all the time was an over-reaction.

    BTW there are insurance firms that will cover the risk of having to defend yourself. When hubby was teaching CHL lessons, he'd have a rep come visit and give a presentation. I don't know, but I just bet the premiums have gone up a bit - or a lot - lately.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Every time you have a citizen self defense shooting, you see the shooter on the news and next to him is his attorney.....Just to have the attorney show up is about a thousand dollars. I am a shooter and a big proponent of self defence....but make no mistake.....even a completely justified shooting is very expensive....if you are a professional person and especially if you own property. If you are a middle class white collar person and you even spend 2 weeks in the pokey....you are done professionally. If you have to take any significant time from work for court appearances and your employer is "Woke" they will terminate you in a flash. If you are a no job welfare scum...endless court appearances or 2 weeks in the pokey is nothing at all....3 hots and a cot is what that is called.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, that sounds so easy.
    Me dino doesn't tailgate but now I recall all the times I've been in heavy traffic sometimes with parked cars between me and a sidewalk to my right, tight for heavy traffic on my left and, oh, now I must stop at another red light.
    And another red light. And another red light. And now look at the back of that 18-wheeler I find in front of me. Now a beggar wants me to roll down my window. Ignore the bum.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I mis-red your post!....you are correct. Amazing how different things look when you re-read them.
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  • Posted by Stormi 4 years, 7 months ago
    I would see it as a control against rioting and property destruction. You do not need to be blacking traffic to just protest peacefully. Further, if you are blocking traffic, likely you are also impeding Interstate Commerce, and should be hauled in. We have to open up our streets for commercial use. I have seen the slowness of US maile that goes through Chicago, just since this rioting began. During the prior Chicago riots, I had a package sit in the Chicago USPS for two weks without moving. Time to take action before Soros takes over the whole country before the old fart drops dead.
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  • Posted by TheOldMan 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I always leave space between my car and the car in front of me. Not only to avoid being blocked in but also if I see someone coming up from behind and it looks like they are not stopping, this gives me some room to maneuver out of their way or honk to wake them up and give me room to move forward so they have a little more distance to slow down before hitting me.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't know what state you live in, but in Alabama shooting home invaders should (I survive that without a scratch) cost me no more than hiring carpet cleaners. The dino has great health insurance by the way.
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  • Posted by $ 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The quoted section was from the commentary by Democrats critical of the new law. It is hyperbole and gross exaggeration - which was why I put it in quotes. I completely agree with you.
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  • Posted by MannyG 4 years, 7 months ago
    That's the way it SHOULD be. Asphalt should be like lava to burn your $200 tennis shoes when you're out rioting!
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I understand......You still need the 50K if you want to bust a cap on someone on the street......If they are in your house at night with a joker mask and a gun....you probably only need 5K......but "bustin the cap" will cost money. Justice is expensive.....unless you own nothing....then it costs nothing....but it can also be worthless. I haven't even started talking about the civil suit aspects of the "Cap Bustin". You will find out the scumbag you shoot had 15 bastard children, all of whom relied on good ol daddy, "the choir boy", for everything.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I may be stuck behind another car should that unlikely scenario occur.
    Me dino stays out of downtown Birmingham as much as possible and would definitely stay out if I hear there is protesting going on.
    Could happened. Atlanta is just a two-hour drive from here where a Wendy's got burned down for the crime of being close to an incident.
    Birmingham has already had some trouble over historical statues.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 years, 7 months ago
    The header for this topic completely gets the purpose of the legislation wrong. In Portland, Oregon and in some other cities, people in their cars were mobbed and kept from escaping. This proposed legislation is designed to give those mobbed the right to flee for their lives.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Make sure you have $50,000 in the bank to hire attorneys. In the USA, you only have rights if you can afford to defend them. In this situation I think pushing the gas pedal down a bit is a lot safer. If they break a window you can push it harder. Dash cam is a great idea. I dont have one....but I if was in an area that this is likely to happen, I would get one.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 4 years, 7 months ago
    Sorry Blarman....when you start blocking the highway.....you cease being involved on peaceful assembly.
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    Posted by TheRealBill 4 years, 7 months ago
    "... and threatening traffic is when your rights to peaceful assembly cease to exist."

    I would disagree. That right still exists, but that isn't what you are doing anymore, thus it would be irrelevant.
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