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Has the time come for a real Galt's Gulch? If the worst should happen in November.

Posted by $ servo75 4 years, 6 months ago to Going Galt
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If the worst should happen, and the Democrats get power again (which let's be honest, will happen eventually even if we successfully delay the inevitable in 2020), I think we have to give serious consideration to some semblance of Galt's Gulch. Even Rand knew such a place in real life would be completely fantastical, yet we have advantages that Galt and Mulligan didn't have, such as the ability to organize online and recruit thousands if not millions of people where Galt had to do so one at a time.

I started thinking about this when Bill Whittle made a Stratosphere Lounge video talking about a "Plan B" should the worst happen this November. He used the analogy that if you were on a ship and a child went overboard, you'd jump in to save him/her. If you found yourself attached to an anvil, you know it's going down no matter what so you cut yourself off from it. The talk was a little rambling but he then mentioned geographic segregation, even the possibility of moving to one state like Texas or New Hampshire (has to be a state with an international border and/or coastline), and seceding.

I say this only PARTLY tongue in cheek - it's not a literal suggestion or an attempt to start such a movement... yet. But it's something to think about. We prepare for every other potential emergency in life. A socialist takeover of our government is bigger than any other emergency I can think of so shouldn't we have a plan in place? You can rebuild after a hurricane or earthquake. What the Democrats are proposing is incurable. It will eventually fail and there will be a call for more market and other freedom, but the situation would get far worse before it gets better. I keep saying the only way mask laws will EVER end, vaccine or no, is mass resistance. May be the same for our nation as a whole. Because like Bill Whittle's analogy, a Democrat victory in November is a sign that the ship is no longer salvageable, that the American populous, maybe America itself, is too far gone to save. So salvage what you can and cut ourselves from the anvil.


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  • Posted by $ 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, I guess it doesn't have to be one single Gulch for everyone, but as Galt himself said, "form your own communities at the outskirts of your crumbling world." So if objectist / libertarian / conservatives start congregating in a few states, yes it will make the states they leave more blue but secession isn't really necessary. We already have sanctuary cities to protect illegal aliens. So if the government puts out some insane anti-gas law, the people simply ignore it and the LOCAL law enforcement refuses to enforce it. It's kind of what I'm starting to see now with the masks. "You can't make me wear it, you don't want to make me wear it and you know it, so I'm going to take it off and be an example for others and this thing will spread until you realize it's unenforceable." I watched the Ken Burns "Prohibition" documentary several years ago and that was a similar conclusion. People saw the hypocrisy, the impossible and uneven enforcement. They wanted to drink again but the drys were so stubborn in not giving an inch that they eventually lost the war entirely. That's what I'm seeing from the Mask Karens now. You can only press so much before the people rebel. No reason we can't do that with guns or "carbon emission laws."

    Our governor is up for election this year and if he wins (maybe even if he doesn't), I've decided my next move will be to nearby Idaho or Montana. At least I'll be surrounded by mostly like-minded people who aren't going to take Democrat authoritarianism standing down.
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So we would have to be self sufficient from the start. Probably means arranging for our self sufficiency while hiding in plain sight and in noticed
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok. I was going to snap at you about giving me a homework assignment, but fine. Interesting site.

    Still doubt the consequences you predict.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    First the rest of the world would hope and take action to ensure our failure. Our success take power from the totalitarian oligarchy. Then they may attack. No doubt many would refuse to trade with us, especially those angry about displaced in corrigible Venezuelans.
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  • Posted by $ prof611 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you can't follow that, you should watch an episode or two of the X22 Reports, to see what's going on behind the MSM.
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think a real gulch would be a very serious thing. We would have to be self sufficient and able to defend against the collectivists who would want a share of the success of the venture. I also think that the self sufficient part of it would take quite a bit of planning and investment.
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    if they dont catch you, otherwise you will be an example of an evil person for killing a black
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure I follow that, but this is pivotal. If Trump gets another four years, he will withdraw from the socialist, whining UN, seriously derail the swamp, and get us back on a path to domestic success and freedom.

    If Biden wins, the totalitarian Dems will attempt to enact such crap to make ObamaCare look like Peace Corps.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Freedom-loving individualists need to have enough wisdom and self interest to overcome some natural sensitivities.
    A seriously free state can not exist on a postage stamp, and there aren't any letter envelopes left. Done anywhere, a real gulch is going to take real strength, unless there is a real engine of the world.
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    taken over by collectivists is not like being taken over by freedom loving individualists though
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have my bodyguard if I go to a dangerous place, so I dont worry too much, but here in Vegas, its NOT like Texas. This is now a blue state with riots and shootings.
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would certainly defend myself too. That said, being 75, my defense might not overcome their offense...
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  • Posted by mccannon01 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ha, you made me smile here of a long ago memory. I and my siblings are of the first generation of our family to not have worked a farm (my wife spent her youth on a dairy farm). I recall, in my youth, asking my grandfather what they grew on the farm in the southern tier of NY. He answered, "Rocks. Lots of rocks." LOL!
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  • Posted by term2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh well, the part about texans not being as independent as they once were is probably right. Not likely to give up the goodies the USA would offer
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Beaten up? Are you kidding me? The only issue is when the cops show up and find a pile of bloody snowflakes or bullies. That will be the day.
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 4 years, 6 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I live in Texas and wear a Trump 2020 mask that I made all the time. I also carry and if someone decides to get stupid over the homemade Trump mask that I wear then they won't experience that for long.

    So far I have had a couple give me a nasty look and Hundreds of compliments.
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