"if there is an electrostatic effect.." Interesting if COVID can be ionized. I found this link:

https://www.businessinsider.com/bipol...

...plug in masks needed, LOL

Good thinking.
Just an idea, if there is an electrostatic effect then the mesh size does not have to be so small.

No apology is necessary!

When I was younger, I used to wonder how the NAZIS could get away with what they did. I don't wonder anymore.

Compliance with authority is ingrained in most of us. Especially those who were robbed of an AMERICAN education.

I sometimes use this response to an offending "Karen", "Do masks work?"
And, if they say "Yes". I respond, "Then you'll be okay."

Of course, you'll not likely get a "No" answer.

I wish MORE people would just refuse. It's very tiring fighting the disinformation and lack of fresh air alone.

Yes, the government and the media are BOTH a detriment to one's mental happiness.

"Oh- 6 feet is easy... may be 50 to 60 feet! ..."

Here's something I posted elsewhere that goes along with what you are saying:

"Here's a scientific experiment anyone can do - I made this up myself so there are no links. 1) Put on your mask (or two or three if you like) and take a walk around your favorite grocery or department store. Continue strolling around until you pass someone wearing an extra dose of perfume or after shave. Try to determine what aisle that person had just come from and proceed down that aisle until the suspect fragrance can no longer be detected. 2) If you happen to choose a location that has some cooking going on such as a fast food chain inside a department store doing burgers, fries, or BBQ, how soon do you detect the odor and how far into the store do you have to go before you no longer detect it?

These fragrance/odor molecules are likely to be carbon chains much bigger than a COVID virus and your detection of them at ANY distance is proof your mask(s) don't do diddly squat. So there you have it! "

I have to agree that at the government level it is or has become control, especially here in the Peoples Republic of NY. However, I think some people are so paranoid and scared out of any rational thought by the constant inundation of fear porn by the media that they genuinely believe you are a danger if you don't wear a mask in public. I see some people driving alone with a mask on. Why else, other than irrational fear, would so many people do this?

Thanks for your reply. Apologies for my 'answer' that was more accurately pointed at those who are still in "doze and absorb" mode. ;^)

Current society is as civil as Lincoln's unconstitutional "Civil" war was.

I like the idea of asking for medical credentials although most won't realize the point. Its worth doing if a few understand your point.

We had relaxation of the mask fear in the summer. My husband several times told me that when they saw him without his mask, others would ask the clerks if it was "okay" and when told "yes" they, with much relief, would remove theirs.

Now, the FEAR is SO THICK, we have entire stores REFUSING to serve you at all if you aren't wearing the face diaper.

And, there's NO reason for it! Other than CONTROL.

It has to be illegal to make it a "company policy" to refuse service for the lack of a NON-FUNCTIONING piece of apparel. I wonder if it would be illegal to make it a "company policy" to force wearing of a Yellow Star? Or, how about a company policy to BAN wearing an actual burka? You bet it would be.

Funny thing happened to me yesterday. I went into a store here in Western NY and forgot my mask in the car. It was snowing and I was in a hurry to get what I wanted and leave. I was waiting in line (paying attention to the social distancing tape on the floor) when I realized I was - OMG - maskless! I figured screw that, I'm not getting out of line to go get my mask. Nobody around me seemed to give a damn though I did get a few glances. When I got up to the register the checkout lady pretended to not notice, but I noticed her eyes "smile" a bit. I told her sorry I left my mask in the car, but I was already in line before I realized it (I normally wear a mask to avoid crap from others). She leaned forward and said, "You're OK, sir, I only wear one so I don't get fired. Otherwise I wouldn't bother, either." I gave her a wink and told her to have a great day!

LOL, I don't watch TV. I TIVO House Hunters and Antiques Roadshow. That's it. :-)

I am NOT the problem, I know that EVERYONE is responsible for their OWN immune system...EVERYONE ELSE, it appears, does NOT and want to accuse ME of having COOTIES whenever I try to enter a store here in California without the Face Burka!

It's a LIVING HELL. Not only are my favorite businesses STILL complying with this COMMUNISM, but I also can't even enter a store without a "Karen" accosting me.

What happened to our "CIVIL" Society?

I'm going to start asking people for their medical credentials if they do that again. I believe it's ILLEGAL to dispense medical "advice" without a license. Maybe that will get them to stop.

"How do we get rid of the UNREASONING FEAR?"
Don't watch tv or read newspapers. They are all lying to instill fear.
Take control of your own health like your great grandparents did. If they had had our conveniences and technology they'd have lived to triple digits because most weren't completely brainwashed by public schools and "entertainment" used to instill fear.
It irritates me to realize that I'm not nearly as tough or, sometimes, as rational as they were.
On the other hand, they fell for the federal reserve bank, social security, and income tax. Those three insidious frauds started the march to serfdom.
In the next few years those frauds are going to be destroyed by courageous patriots.

LOL. Very good! All sounds like common sense to me.

The FEAR, though. How do we get rid of the UNREASONING FEAR?

I mean, what's the recovery rate if you get it now? 99% average? LOL!

And, masks? Masks leak! You cannot SEE a virus. No mask is going to stop it! I've seen mask wearing aptly described (ONLY ONLINE, though) as like throwing sand into a chainlink fence. Why haven't doctors told people FROM THE BEGINNING that their paper masks are for BACTERIA on droplets? Meaning your CLOTH mask is even WORSE at stopping a virus.

And, WHY haven't they told you that you need FILTERED air into an AIRTIGHT suit to avoid an airborne virus?

I don't go out anymore, not to avoid a virus that I'm not going to catch. I stay home to avoid FEARFUL and STUPID people.

I can tolerate basic stupidity. It's the ignorant and COMPLICIT to anything they're told FEAR that makes me crazy.

JuliBMe questions

Derivation of HCQ.
The progression was something like- the bark of a certain tree was found useful for .. The active ingredient was found to be Quinine. This was refined and sold as Chloroquine. Further refinement resulted in Hydroxychlorine (HCQ) which was much safer.

Tonic water.
I think the main ingredient next to sweeteners is Quinine. It is there for the taste as the concentration is too low for anything else. Dobrien's description would be right. I've read that drinking enough tonic water could be the equivalent of a HCQ tablet, 25 bottles ~ one 200mg tablet, or something like that.

As a precaution.
If you are in the vulnerable demographic there are some easy thing to do- take supplements of Vit D3, and zinc. HCQ is safe for most people, Ivermectin is even better and safer, Quercetin does the same job as HCQ (zinc ionophore- gets the zinc into the virus thereby destroying it) tho' it does not have direct anti-viral properties itself.

Guarantee.
This advice fully guaranteed to the amount you paid me for it, proof it works is I was still alive last time I checked.
25 bottles of tonic water per day would not be easy. I am not a mask believer, and have reservations about the vaxes. Keeping away from people and anything they could touch or breath on could work. Oh- 6 feet is easy. Unfortunately the distance may be 50 to 60 feet! It is not known for sure how, and how far, these things travel.

I haven't had a virus in almost 15 years. I used to get a cold or flu at least once a year prior to putting myself on a regimen of twice-daily multi and D3 supplements. I SWEAR by vitamins if you wish to stop getting colds.

That doctors do not strongly recommend supplementation is just ANOTHER reason I've lost complete confidence in our general practice medical "professionals". Their compliance to ineffective and DANGEROUS (for some) forced masking and this virus response HOAX has REALLY damaged my perception of them for all time.

Much appreciated.
In the third link I find it interesting that the adjusted death rate compared to the "early masking and distancing mandates" (267.8 to 258.5 / mil) shows a negligible effect on infection / deaths. (.001 efficacy)
You can lie about the numbers........

Yes part of it is. The brits used Quinine for their over seas travels against malaria. They would mix it with gin.
Hence tonic water , for gin and tonic was born.

There is a very small chance of side effects that affects a very few people, many who have taken CQ for long periods of time.
In the case of using HCQ for Covid, you don't have to take it for long periods of time and that greatly reduces the chance of side effects that were already very small.
HCQ and CQ have been used for 50 years and the effects are well known.
Covid vaccines have NOT been tested extensively and there are more obvious and damaging side effects in the short time it has been administered (without proper testing) than from HCQ use by billions over 50 years.
The side effects of the vaccines are not yet known and the bodily changes that the vaccine causes are new -never have been done on humans before- and they are unpredictable. Anyone who takes the vaccine is a human guinea pig for an untested experimental treatment. It could destroy your life and its effects could be MUCH worse than Covid - especially if you are under 60 years old and otherwise in good health.
HCQ, Vitamin D, Zinc, Vitamin C are much safer ways to stay healthy, they are not expensive, and they do not require anyone to be enslaved by the state.

This may be a dumb question as I'm not pharma or doctor trained but I was wondering if what I read about HCQ being derived from quinine is true? I also read that quinine has been mostly taken out of soda water also because of heart rhythm issues. I did find some available with quinine on Amazon! I tried to tell everyone that, too. That they could just drink soda water (if they have no heart problems!) with quinine and be less vulnerable to the "rona".

The FEAR that was being ginned up had me SO ANGRY last year. It was and STILL IS SICK and CRUEL.

Anyway, I was looking because my husband is/was "vulnerable" if he got the virus. Instead, though, I just loaded him up on vitamins with D3.

Is it possible those heart issues have been synthesized out of HCQ with lower amounts of quinine in the formulation?

Commander Correct, there are side effects of taking HCQ. The two biggest are:

1. irregular heart beat, arrhythmic
This happens in about 1% of those taking HCQ, in some of those it may be serious. In the days when HCQ was used for malaria this was a very rare problem, over every ten years one or two ex-pats working in Africa would be sent home.
2. loss of color vision (iris damage). Has been identified in a very small number of people after five years. In the malaria days medical advice was get a special set of color vision tests done every 6 months.

I am not aware of any other bothersome side effects. Remember this medication was first used in ~1965 and has been thoroughly studied.

Since that time it was ok for malaria (until replaced), lupus, and arthritis. Then, in 2020, Pres Trump mentioned HCQ- the gates of hell blew out! You know the rest.

Then, some clinics and labs did trials using HCQ on CCP19. Some were 'designed to fail', some were genuine. I have read a number of the studies. Most of the ones that identified the arrhythmic effect said they found it but it was not serious enough to discontinue treatment, one study said one patient was taken off the trial because of this.

My view (FWIIW)- if you have CCP19, and there is a treatment choice of HCQ v. nothing, take HCQ. Bad effects of irregular heart beats are not as bad as letting the virus proceed, and there are ways to deal with the heart beat problem, (and now there are more choices).

For study listings see:
https://c19study.com/
https://hcqmeta.com/
https://hcqtrial.com/

I tried to retrieve a published study on CQ that I read back in May or June....can't find immediately.
What prompted the search was HCQ being described as having arrhythmic side effects.

The study was 1958/9 going through a proof that injectable CQ was an Antiarrhythmic.
This past week I spent time with two pharmacists, both trained in the 80's, who confirmed, with qualifications, this was correct. They also confirmed that this information is not in general training any longer.

My neighbor suffers Lupus.
She could not get her HQC refilled......no stock. Two months ago she got hit with an active case of Covid.....antigen verified.
She was moderately ill for 3 days. I had the fortune of talking with these folks regarding supplements, just in case. Amazing what a little awareness and prophylaxis can accommodate.

Prior to this administration the Left have destroyed many Doctor's careers who recommended HCQ and given their patients that medication. In turn are to blame for many Covid related deaths. They are the epidemic.

All yours. I came here to learn how to better affect others.

This is the one good thing I've seen Biden do.

The "ban" was Fauci's idea, because it allowed fast-track approval of other treatments including remidesvir (sp?), and Fauci had a chunk of money invested in its maker.

Agreed. If you don `t mind, I will add your statements along with a link to the above piece on a couple of my media pages.