I was just referring to a week or two vacation to get away from the snow here in Nine Mile Falls WA,. I'd never move to Hawaii.

I’m more focus on what happens locally, around the farm, few families from Europe and USA visit us during 2021 and it was madness, first 3-4 weeks lots of excitement and then culture shock settle down, full of conspiracy theories, some were escaping Soros and gates, it was a lot of talking and I don’t talk irrelevant stuff, it was to much and they escape to another location :-)

Recently a family from Hawai contact us, they want to move to our place in 2022. The first question I ask them was, why ? The answer was, food, land and constructions is very expensive, you need to pull permits for everything, government is very intrusive, I guess those are some good reasons not to go to Hawai.

Make sure that you actually want to do stuff, not just talk. Ranting against the world is easy. Doing stuff while involving others is extraordinarily harder. (And not to worry, there is room for mistakes and false starts.) “Well said”

Like I mentioned before, is extremely expensive to start a gulch, lots of details and costly mistakes along the way. Most people like the fantasy or romantic part of it.

First you need to find a good (off the radar) location with good water and mild weather, few hundred thousand for a good piece of property of you’re lucky, off the grid house with nice finishes, guest quarters, swimming pool, hot tub, clubhouse another 500k, setting up a farm, tractor, well, fence, roads, septic and miscellaneous another few hundred thousand, when is all done you’re close to 1 million. Of course you can do something for much less and then the sky is the limit, each must create their own Galts Gulch base on their budget.

Our place have few residential lots available, is not going to cost 1 million, just a fraction for enjoying all the improvements.

Honestly, my future medical program is a Fentanyl overdose. Boy does it cost less!

We were planning on Hawaii, but now will have to investigate this a little better as to flight restrictions, the jab, and all that other restrictive requirement crap in our world today. Sounds great.

Medical issues are a serious concern, unless one just takes the approach that living free for as long as the body lasts is better than living unfree for a longer time.

You havent heard of most of them, since secrecy will keep them safe from the leftists and their government.

Secrecy is the number one free method of defense. They cant take what they dont know about or think its something valuable they can take.

Maybe a little radar on your part will alert you to potential attacks by envious people and organizations.

Sounds great.

Very cool. Not sure that the government there is any better than in the USA, so you could be invaded at their whim as long as they know where you are. The secret to the gulch was that defense was provided by natural secrecy (at least that was postulated in AS). If a gulch were established in this day and age, it would be attacked as soon as it was successful , and defense would be needed or it would be lost. You are lucky that your gulch is not a target.

Slightly tangential, but still related to the "Gultch" concept. Most people here are referring to their own little Gultch, where it's only they themselves and probably no one else (except perhaps family members) is involved. This is a great start but also has limited value in what one can achieve individually. Also being off the grid is not always optimum, Ideally the gulch should be able to replicate all the good stuff the grid has to offer, like a hospital, or jobs that pay well. In short larger projects (whatever that might be) require more people who are philosophically aligned.

I'm putting crude efforts in that direction which are outlined here at https://quberoot.wordpress.com/ . If you are interested please contact me after reading what I have put in the link. One thing that I can say unflinchingly is that it will take a lot of effort in building working relationships - something which admirers of Ayn Rand do not comprehend.

Summary, if you don't want to read the whole thing:
1) Get together with like minded people ( I have defined what like minded is).
2) Work on projects for mutual benefit.

As you can see there is nothing new about it really (partly the theme of Galt's Gulch in Atlas Shrugged ) , but the big challenge appears that often relatively independent thinking people also come with their quirks, for example a near complete lack of effort in putting aside minor differences to co-operate with other like-minded people for mutual benefit. Independence of thought (which is good) tends to foster loner (which is bad) like tendencies.

The USA and Europe is more socialist than Chile, congress and parliament in Chile is divided and for any law to pass it needs approvals from both, is going to be some sort of reset and chaos. Chaos and uncertainty is the new norm, get ready for the reset.

This sounds wonderful and I am glad you were able to find/create such a place. I have In-laws that live in Santiago who state the government and country country in general is going hard socialist. What security do you have against them imposing themselves upon you?

We have four guest suites for short and long term stays, $450.00 a week.

You get access to clubhouse with wifi, swimming pool, hot tub, gardens and walking-running trails.

Suite have, full bath, mini-kitchenette and a/c.

We sold four residential lots and I’m building the third house now.

No idea, I’m off the radar for almost two years.

Interesting. How does one book a month there?

Why was the American Embassy in Chile closed "temporarily"?

Very cool. I bet Chile is a good place for this...

Hearty Congratulations! 👍