The God of the Machine - Tranche 47

Posted by mshupe 1 year, 7 months ago to Government
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Chapter XXI, Excerpt 2 of 2
Our Japanized Educational System

There can be no greater stretch of arbitrary power than to seize children from their parents, teach them whatever the authorities decree they shall be taught, and expropriate from parents the funds to pay for the procedure. The intrinsic nature of the power was so little realized that this was called “free education,” the most absolute contradiction of facts by which language is capable. A tax supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.

The famous Scopes “monkey trial” in Tennessee was discussed with equal heat and ignorance on both sides. They were not concerned with freedom of thought, speech, or person . . . no conception of personal rights. In short, they did not question political control of education; they only wanted to use it for themselves. Education in civilization . . . is possible only to a frame of mind in which knowledge is pursued voluntarily. The useful knowledge the average person possesses is acquired out of school.

The desire to learn and to impart knowledge are so universal that they can be restrained only by legal penalties. The most vindictive resentment may be expected from the pedagogic profession . . . should they be dislodged from their dictatorial position. The Germans are notably literate, and their technology enabled them to build a war machine which must destroy them. A prominent geologist was struck by the fact that only Americans find oil. “Where oil really is, in the final analysis, is in our own heads.”


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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It was founded by a fellow who claims to be an Objectivist, but who, in my experience with him 20 or 25 years ago, tended to want to build his own philosophy and call it Objectivism. (This is all vaguely remembered.) As Leonard Peikoff famously said, "Objectivism is the philosophy of Ayn Rand." He suggests you call yours Gloopism.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To me, the best and the leading authority on teaching literature to young students is Lisa Vandamme. Her academy also teaches math and science quite well, but the example you give makes a ton of sense. The students need to know why. https://centerforindividualism.org/ho...
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Much of that is because public education has ceased teaching that which is useful and converted it into teaching ideology. The rest is simply because the teachers don't help the students first learn WHY any given topic is germane to their further existence in society.

    Read a book a couple of years ago which nailed it on the head. It was something about why public education is teaching English wrong but it applies to other topics as well. What the author pointed out was that unless on relates the material to the students through association, context, and application that they will be turned off by the material even before one begins. You don't find too many (outside aspiring thespians) who view Shakespeare with anything but dread and revulsion. I was certainly in that boat. But then I started getting courses on specific Shakespeare plays which spent the first lecture not on the play, but on the backstory: why the play was written, what was going on in society at the time the play was written, etc. Suddenly a bunch of the tumblers fell into place and the play became not just interesting, but the work of art it truly was.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it might have been elon musk who did openAI which is chatGTP. Its really helpful. Even helps with engineering problems in things I am working on
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That too, and I believe Wikipedia was founded by an Objectivist. More, better, cheaper - capitalism.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wish chatGTP was up to date, and not limited to before 11/2021. Not sure why they limited it so much
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have learned how to fix my microwave oven, my dishwasher, my car problems, checked to see potential medical issues for me and also my dog and cat- all in the middle of the night even on weekends sometimes. This is a great time to know nothing but learn where to find the info when its needed.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a great subtheme of this chapter, and one not expanded as much as it could be. Thanks to an unregulated internet - free and inexpensive online courses, eBooks, and Amazon, it is amazing how much someone can learn about things that matter - economics, history, philosophy, physics, etc.
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  • Posted by term2 1 year, 7 months ago
    "the useful knowledge the average person possesses is acquired out of school."

    Boy is that true. You learn what YOU want to learn and WHEN you are interested or feel a need for the information.

    There shouldnt call them "teachers", since very little is crammed down the throat of the students. All another person can do to help in the acquisition of knowledge is to find out what the student wants to learn right then, and show him or her how to acquire the knowledge.

    For example, when I need a quick general answer I used to go to Wikipedia, but NOW I go to chatGTP and get instant answers. They say that you don't have to know anything- just need to know where to find it *google and chatGTP"
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To me, this forum follows Pareto's Principle, aka the 80/20 rule. 80% of the commentary falls into the Libertarian political category, 20% might be more unique, and even less in line with the core tenets of the original Gulch. One tenet is that politics is downstream from ethics which is downstream from reason which is downstream from reality, yet almost all of the comments are politics oriented. In that context, this series of posts is radically different.
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  • Posted by fairbro 1 year, 7 months ago
    The media and social media "news" is like rusted scrap metal in a junkyard, GG is gold.

    The problem with Galt's Gulch is that I don't have enough time to properly read it!
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It occurred to me that all great ideas have a timeless quality. The same is true of great art including music, literature, painting & sculpture, etc. So, why is it surprising that the God of the Machine and Atlas Shrugged seem to presage today's headlines? While all critics claim that neither of them is great, I think there is something more insidious here. Fundamental to progressivism is that human nature has changed since the industrial revolution. Their antipathy for the unbridled success of capitalism has forced them to come up with a metaphysical justification for their schemes. Because they are not producers, they need to rationalize their looting. That justification is determinism - everyone is programmed to react to circumstances based on nature and nurture, and never volition, aka free will, aka courage to think, aka independence. Human nature has not changed, and that includes the cowardice of the parasites.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You might be interested in something I discovered last week in Harry Binswanger's book How We Know. "The adaptive value of forethought or foresight is too evident to need demonstration. It raised man to the status of lord of creation." This quote is attributed to the evolutionary biologist Theodosius Dobzhansky. All of progressivism, collectivism, and religionism is meant to crush this idea.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, they created a circular firing squad designed for the academy to merely keep score.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, this a powerful and damning essay in which almost anyone can find an experience of their own. I remember that when reading To Kill a Mockingbird, and six-year-old Scout related her experience with socialization methods in her new first grade class, this essay immediately came to mind. I'm confident that Harper Lee felt the same way about progressive education. To me, there is no doubt that we've become the only sentient species that clips the wings of its young before pushing them out of the nest. The saving grace is that human nature can and frequently does overcome that.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I had never heard of "The Comprachicos" and had to go look it up. I did a quick read-through and had many of the same thoughts as reading TGOTM. The knowledge of the damage being done to young people has been known (at least to some) for many decades. The writings of AR (from 1970, in this case) and IP (from 1943) show that the things that are wrong with education have been wrong for a long time, and do not seem to be improving, but rather are self-perpetuating.
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  • Posted by VetteGuy 1 year, 7 months ago
    "A tax supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state."

    Hopefully, the voucher system being used in some states (and proposed in some others) can take a bite out of this.

    But once again, wisdom from (at least) 1943 seems ripped from today's headlines. And most people still haven't learned. Due largely to their "educations".
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent follow-up! And thanks for reminding us of Elihu Palmer. Expanding further with direct reference to compulsory progressive government education, have read Rand's essay The Comprachicos?
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 1 year, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    “This sentence is loaded: "Education in civilization . . . is possible only to a frame of mind in which knowledge is pursued voluntarily."

    Yes, and just as a lion cub is eager, by Nature, to learn how to hunt because that is a lion’s way to survive, so to, a human child is eager to learn how to think because that is a human’s way to survive.

    To deliberately crush that child’s propensity to think for himself in his early formative years is unspeakably evil. It has been going on for a long time. This from Elihu Palmer in 1801 "…The strength of human understanding is incalculable, its keenness of discernment would ultimately penetrate into every part of nature, were it permitted to operate with uncontrouled and unqualified freedom. It is because this sublime principle of man has been the object of the most scurrilous, and the most detestable invective from superstition, that his moral existence has been buried in the gulph of ignorance, and his intellectual powers tarnished by the ferocious and impure hand of fanaticism. Although we are made capable of sublime reflections, it has hitherto been deemed a crime to think, and a still greater crime to speak our thoughts after they have been conceived…"

    We should prepare ourselves for a very long struggle.
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  • Posted by 1 year, 7 months ago
    This sentence is loaded: "Education in civilization . . . is possible only to a frame of mind in which knowledge is pursued voluntarily." Civilization is defined by a Society of Contract - voluntary exchange, mutually beneficial, and education is no exception. The student has a role in this exchange. Outside of school, students benefit most in a world they know to be orderly and intelligible. Public education funding matters not. In school, teachers imparting the wisdom of great literature and math matter most.
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