I’ve not given up. Like our Founding Fathers I’m contemplating other means. Just like they told us too.

I am thinking that prepping will only work if you prep far away from the cities and accept a much lower standard of living and a lot less free time, as dealing with the necessities of life requires a lot more efforts than we expend now Defense will be very important, kind of like that shown in the tv series "walking dead" (replace the zombies by the orders of unprepared and entitled people wandering the countryside...

Less populated areas that are not dependent for food on international trade.
Not many in the USA because of population that will exfil from cities.
Crashing USD will exacerbate the problem for everyone, and the fedgov will do what will help the rich only.
Lots more lower risk opportunities outside the US, I think.
Unless there is a revolution (peaceful if possible) in the next 2 years, before the USD devaluation.
Assuming I have no power to effect the necessary change here, I think watching from far away is lower risk.

I agree if the "crash" is sudden. I figure the attrition rate in the first 60 days in modern parts of the world will be enormous. A slow motion crash will stretch out the timeline.

Thanks, Dobrien. I don't always agree with you but I know you're one of the good guys.
You can share my foxhole anytime. May that foxhole become a trench filled with patriots who do not quit and go try and hide from the Redcoats.

Tell me an election when. You weren’t disappointed. When the POS Bush Clinton Bush Obama Obama Trump BuyDem . If you were to look up Irregular warfare you would understand we are at war.
During the Revolutionary War some troops gave up after a handful of losses . They Quit and hid in their barns. The Red Coats burned down those barns and homes. Never ever give up, Quiters NEVER win. We are at war, if you don’t see it , you. Need to check your premises. The DeepState will do to you what they are doing to Trump, if we the people give up. You Underestimate President Donald J Trump.

Yes dino very hard to understand. Our General is taking all the flak for US , because he is relentlessly
attacked by Sorass bought DA’s and the media. Light weight patriots think let’s get someone who does n’t post mean tweets (about deviants). The bad guys seem to like Desanctimonious better or. Maybe another Kennedy so I Don’t have to Keep hearing Orangeman bad anymore, Trump can’t win even though he got 10+ million more votes than his 2016 win. Far more than any other incombant Pres
During the Revolutionary War some troops gave up after a handful of losses . They Quit and hid in their barns. The Red Coats burned down those barns and homes.
But the most important statement you made was at the end.Related to that, The reverend from Georgia who is being ridiculously charged in the (Lawfare) Election Case has refused a plea deal saying he will never give in to the Evil he is witnessing. Bravo ! Like dino a modern day hero imo.

We vote on a paper ballot in Alabama and I haven't heard of any modern day voting fraud in that state.
Trump won Alabama by the way, though not in my immediate Birmingham area satellite city due to a lot of blacks having moved in.
Now if I voted in Atlanta where on surveillance cameras poll watchers were tricked into leaving for hearing "We're calling it night" and criminal poll workers pulled ballots out from beneath a table and fraudulently used for two hours longer, I'd still vote in Atlanta.
Me dino be stubborn like that. In other words, I'm not moving to a whiter neighborhood.
When you give up unlike our Founding Fathers did against all conceivable odds, expect to lose by dragging those who did vote down with you.
If the corrupted DOJ or the Deep State kills Trump, I'll likely write his name in for the hell of it.

Voting anymore is manufactured consent. I get your reasoning however. Thing is every vote cast for candidate A results in a manufactured vote for candidate B.
Rule ZERO: there’s ALWAYS another box of ballots. As many as they need to overcome the actual votes. It’s Game Over Man. I’ll vote Trump and solid R this next round. But I’m expecting to be disappointed. Which in its own way will be the proof I’m seeking. THEY will NEVER allow Trump back into the Whitehouse. It’s just not gonna happen.

“Lower standard of living”…..Yep!

The future of wealth is sanity.

Watching the entitled attempt to survive will be thrilling at first then frightening. After 2 mos anyone that makes it out of the cities is going to be one bad hombre.

There will be much violence as entitled people try to survive

Not only what our Founding Fathers risked but those who throughout American history died fighting for our freedom is what logically "guilts" the dino into voting no matter what.
Enough honest votes can overwhelm a horde of crooked votes but only if enough honest votes are cast. And if the cheat beats honesty again, I'm still not giving up. Not ever.

LOL, no "slap" intended. You're a fighter taking your turn in the ring and you just got a bit pummeled. Me and dino are in your corner with a cool drink of water and fanning you down with the towels. When the bell rings get out there a do a bit of slappin' of your own, LOL!

Thanks mccannon01 for a different perspective. Hadn't considered that every vote cast makes it harder for them to cheat. Maybe that's enough.

And Dino has sort of guilted me into changing my mind with his "...our Founding Fathers literally risked their necks creating..." comment. He's absolutely right.

Thanks you two for giving me a proverbial slap upside my head. I needed it.

Good conversation and I often feel the same as you, rainman0720, but I still cling to the dino way. I'm going to vote anyway because the more votes against the commies, the harder it is for them to cheat. Something has to break along the line.

I know you're right, Dino, but only if it's a fair and honest election. When it's rigged, I'm not so sure. And since they got away with it in 2020, why would anyone think 2024 will be any different?

Yeah, casting a vote for Trump is the only thing each of us can do. I can't understand the defeatism. To give up is to let evil win.

I would like to see Trump deliver a political nuke at any one of his trials, but I'm not going to hold my breath that us serfs will hear a single syllable of it.

We are at war , you know. It and so do I. The only thing we can do is vote for Trump. He is the enemies enemy. They will do anything to save their lives , literally anything. Winning comes very slowly and then all at once. Roll Ti….er Roll Trump.

Foreign interference in an election , is an act of war. Our country was infiltrated . Trump has everything, all the evidence , we call it the Trump card. In March at his Georgia trial Trump will Prove it with out a sliver of doubt.

Indeed, term2. I've done enough real tent camping, even in the snow, to know 19th century living with some 21st century knowledge doesn't scare me. It's what others will do to survive that scares me.

What we are all looking at is the reduction in our lifestyle as a result of less availability of the advantages of worldwide free trade. Think about it- we just go to the grocery store to get food that others make for us. We go to hospitals for pretty advanced medical care that others supply. We just pick up drugs at the local pharmacy supplied by big pharma. We get gasoline for transportation and fossil fuel for electricity , but don’t have to make it or deliver it locally.
When the left wants to destroy our culture, it means dragging us back to living short lives in caves- a little at a time. Imagine that every day socialists control us, we lose a little of what makes our current lifestyle.

We need to stop them
I think revolution is coming sooner or later. If not through peaceful means, then not so peaceful means. Regardless of how much prepping I do, there is no way I can replace the advantages of a free society just by myself for more than a few weeks or maybe months. I will certainly try of course.

The very first collapse will be the destruction of the wealth we have saved up in dollars for our retirement

"I might have waited a bit too long." Wife and I in our 70s think the same. When we moved here there were the usual world problems posing no threat to us, but things accelerated over the years and now things are not looking good. At this point we are going to hunker down and ride it out until we see an opportunity. We are both excellent cooks using cast iron on an open fire, if you know what I mean.

Hats off to the Bee. Even our little city west of Cleveland had problems this November, with ballots not printing (they tried twice, leaving both ballots lying on the table with a piece of paper torn off the corner with my name on it), ballots being rejected by the voting machines before they were even voted on, ballot readers with hand-written note saying to insert the ballot upside down because otherwise it wouldn't read--and that was just five minutes in our tiny precinct. The fix is already in...

I might have waited a bit too long. I have a business which I think I can sell. I have a house in outskirts of Las Vegas, but I don't think I could survive a move at 78. Maybe things wont collapse for a few years yet though, if we don't go to wr this year.