Philosophy: Who Needs It

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Ayn Rand's address To The Graduating Class of The United States Military Academy at West Point New York — March 6, 1974
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"In the titular essay, “Philosophy: Who Needs It,” Rand shows why, in order to deal with concrete, real-life problems, an individual needs some implicit or explicit view of the world, of man’s place in it, and of what goals and values he ought to pursue. The abstract premises an individual holds may be true and consistent, reached by conscientious thought—and the purpose of the science of philosophy is to teach one how to achieve this—or his premises may be a heap of clashing ideas unwittingly absorbed from the culture around him. But either way, she argues, the power of philosophy is inescapable. It is something everyone should be concerned with."



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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Only if you so define it. Others have rationality that leads to another definition, wholly outside of mysticism.
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    Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "That standard is not at the level of embryos, fetuses and cells" - Why? Because you say so? How capricious and arbitrary. That is no more a valid and rational reason than one that bestows such at conception. You just don't like the fact that a voluntary act (in most cases, rape is a different situation) has consequences that the participants should take into account prior to engaging in such act. If they cannot abide by the potential outcome, then they shouldn't participate.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't believe that she had a 'lack of faith', she rejected faith as a basis of determining anything in life.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why would anyone be concerned one way or the other? The speech wasn't about religion, it concerned the importance of philosophy and it's study.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 7 months ago
    I find that AR's statement "or his premises may be a heap of clashing ideas unwittingly absorbed from the culture around him." to be one of the truest and strongest that she ever made. It's interesting to see how much of that very circumstance exists throughout the current citizenry and drives so much of today's political discourse.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I heard both the Ford Hall Forum answers on gun control and maybe you did, too. I think the 1971 response in which she said she didn't know enough to have an opinion on how to formulate proper laws on citizen guns was prefaced by emphasizing her position against the use of force outside the law (except for direct self defense, which when properly delimited is not outside the law) by citing the old western movies in which the men were told "gentlemen, leave your guns at the door".

    Her reference to "unless you're ready to begin a private uprising right now, which isn't very practical" was at a different time than Obama's pen, phone and guns -- even McGovern was overwhelmingly defeated except in Washington DC and Massachusetts -- but today it is still not practical to expect to take on the US government by force, nor would it help even if you could do it under today's widespread acceptance of statism and collectivism, which is worse than it was then. The chaos would only accelerate the decline and give them a concocted excuse to go after innocent people even more than they do now, especially against rational individuals who dare to speak out. We would not get another American Revolution, only a replay of the French Revolution.

    But Ayn Rand's abhorrence of arbitrary force does not mean she was "anti-gun". It's important to keep the distinction clear, especially in today's context of a lot of people running around sounding as if they do want people with guns taking the law into their own hands, even if they don't always intend that literally. The answer to that is not "anti-gun". She wanted laws sanctioning direct self defense but not leading to "killing people at whim" in the name of that or worse. Today's statists want to squelch self defense and simultaneously do what they want to people "at whim" themselves, with the Constitution regarded as an anachronistic joke.

    Also her statement on unions being the only ideologically decent group that will save the country should not be taken out of context to endorse everything unions were doing at the time (even aside from the bad economic affects she mentioned), let alone their ideological history or the kind of strong arm progressives they are today. At the time, some of the labor leaders were publicly making observations against Wesley Mouch-style statism and pandering to the Soviets in foreign policy.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why? What does 'heartbeat' have to do with being a moral being? Lot's of creatures have heartbeats.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The content of Ayn Rand's philosophy does not go away by declaring that it is only an "approach", followed by "altering" the content. Objectivism is Ayn Rand's philosophy, which anyone can agree with or not, in part or in whole, but it doesn't change in accordance with what someone wants it to be just by vaguely calling it an "approach".

    Much of the Leonard Peikoff's OPAR (as it's called) was assembled from presentations he gave in previous lectures on philosophy, mostly in the 1970s, and you may have encountered some of it in that form.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And such demands are exactly what faith and force lead to.

    It is not a matter of 'one life is more valuable than another', but what kind of life is more valuable to whom for what purpose. The concepts of morality and rights do not pertain to the unborn and only _potential_ human.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are no conflicts in rights. The unborn has no rights. Moral principles do not apply to it at all; it has not yet reached the stage of development where moral choice arises and there are no moral values to 'balance' between a mother and a potential child.

    To say that "human life begins at conception" and deduce "rights" for a blob of cells equivocates on what is meant by "human life". The human genes in cells are not the source of rights, and neither is the outline of the shape of a human hand in a fetus. Religious conservatives relying on the supernatural have no idea what the nature and source of rights is. Their assertions of "absolutes" under the claim that a "god" provides certainty and stability are subjective decrees leading to anything but certainty and stability, and are mystic incantations that provide no understanding whatsoever, but lead to countless bloody battles between warring sects, each decreeing its own absolute in a realm in which cognitive standards are impossible.

    To the extent that the unborn as a potential human has value to someone (which it certainly does), the _rights_ of the mother prevail, not the desires of someone else and not the noncognitive automatic biological process of development of the pre-human entity.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They are contextual absolutes put into law from within a philosophical range of options so the everyone knows what the law is and can act accordingly. The religious mystics confuse absolutes with something supposedly intrinsic and revealed by their subjective faith. The subjectivity of that process in striving for the meaningless, promoted without benefit of cognitive standards, leaves no way to objectively communicate or resolve disputes, resulting in their imposition of force through authoritarianism as a substitute for objective law in civilized society.
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Abortion believing Objectivists" is a redundancy, and Objectivism does not advocate "mystical actions when a baby passes through the birth canal". These religious proselytizers trying to hijack Ayn Rand, plagiarizing some of it and contradicting the rest, for their own religious conservativism have no idea what the source of morality and rights is.

    Being born means no longer being a biological parasite; it is the point at which the new human begins to directly perceive the external world and use his mind to understand it. But at that level of 'timing' it is most important to specify an objective standard within a range of options so that everyone knows what the law is. That standard is not at the level of embryos, fetuses and cells.

    The mystics ascribe "rights" to a "soul" in a cell, with no idea of where rights comes from in a rational philosophy, then outrageously call cell-biology and medicine "murder" while trying to ban contraception (as they once did), then try to pretend that they are only trying to deal with a border line case distinguishing birth at the last moment -- and proceed to argue like medieval scholastics counting angels on the head of a pin while ignoring essentials in the name of a supposed "precision".

    The source of rights is through recognition of the nature of man and his mind, and objectively formulating and defining legal rights accordingly, not an out of context decree of 'intrinsic value' gleaned from subjective revelation of the supernatural promoted behind a smokescreen of last minute "precision" while accusing others of mysticism.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    this is a bunch of truncated, non-connected opinion. Rand never spoke directly on gun control. In her novels, her heroes had guns...LIKE BREATHING. but your urbane distaste is noted. grow up . self defense is essential and important-against the tyranny of YOUR government. stand and deliver. You can do this intellectually-but to deny those who would do it physically? that is to deny your resolve and what the truth is
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The second amendment is irrelevant to the climax of AS -- there was no Constitution left at all. The choice to write the plot the way she did was to make the philosophical point of what happens to those who don't think; it doesn't mean that the need to defend yourself when there is no government to do it means that one is incompetent -- and it doesn't mean that violence in general comes from incompetence, it comes from the evil portrayed in the novel, not mere incompetence. Rescuing Galt was just such an emergency. The scene did not represent running around shooting up everything in sight for the sake of 'freedom', and was not anti-gun either. The right to self-defense is delegated in a civil society, not surrendered.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What is a well regulated militia mean, Mike? "The right of the PEOPLE to keep and bear arms." Didn't the guard have a gun? Wasn't he helping to hold someone against their will, and being tortured? If that is ever you I'll look at the guard and then at my gun that you so despise and say, "Nyaaaa, never mind." And let the guard do what he's told.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    gods hairy balls! I'm going to disable you. look up depraved heart murder. then come back and talk with with the adults. when guns are outlawed only outlaws have guns. sit down son
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  • Posted by ewv 10 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Abortion is not murder. That ugly accusation and misrepresentation is a consequence of false religious ideas, not an excuse to morally intimidate people into going along with the false premises.
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