Uh oh...I'm siding with the Democrats on something...

Posted by $ rainman0720 4 days, 9 hours ago to Government
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Unless I’m misreading the attached article, as things currently sit the government will shut down on October 30 because Dems won’t support the current Continuing Resolution passed by the Republican House. Dems aren’t supporting the CR because it includes (for approximately the 30th time in the last 7 years) an extension of the National Flood Insurance Program.

Now, maybe I’m missing something, but since the government can’t actually MAKE its own money (yes it can print it, but that’s not the same thing), any money it gives to anyone must be stolen from you, me, and the other taxpayers. So, in another case of robbing Peter to pay Paul (or, in the more popular vernacular, “wealth redistribution”), I am paying for part of someone else’s flood insurance so he can get a mortgage on a house.

Why the hell should I have to pay for someone else’s homeowner’s insurance? Nobody helped me pay for mine; why the hell should I have to carry the financial burden of a second insurance policy for a property I will never be able to use or enjoy?

So that’s why I find myself in the Dem’s corner on this one: I would like to see the NFIP stripped from the current Continuing Resolution that has been approved by House Republicans.

And when I realized that I was siding with the Dems, I felt sick.

Am I wrong? Should all of us be paying for a very specific benefit that only a VERY small number of people can utilize and derive any benefit from? Or am I right in believing that if you can’t afford your own insurance, then you can’t buy that house?


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  • Posted by $ allosaur 2 days, 23 hours ago
    Whenever it comes to a bill being touted by Democrats and RINOs, only trust there's sneaky snaky expensive Schiff included in it.
    Having read all the Gulcher comments, I just felt moved to bottom line opine.
    Me dino also feels to state that I do not respond to any contributions that goes straight to the GOP. Why? I'm forced to pay taxes.
    I do itemize with a variety of charitable causes?
    Why? To deduct from taxation by sending money to needful honest things that I know what the hell I'm paying for!
    For example, I give far more to Tunnels To Towers than that measly $11 a month they ask for. Also IMO, Bible spells it out that giving money to help persecuted Jews in their own terrorized Israel is kinda like buying a ticket to Heaven. I'm not perfect. Are you?
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  • Posted by $ 3 days ago in reply to this comment.
    For me, that's an easy one. If I had to get flood insurance before I could get approved for a mortgage and nobody other than the federal government offered it, I'd buy a different house.
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  • Posted by rainbowstew 3 days, 2 hours ago
    As I understand it, there are no regular insurance companies that offer flood insurance, so the federal government is the only source for it. Maybe that is socialistic, it probably is, but I am not the one who is going to figure that one out.

    I know someone up in a town about 30-40 miles north of Cincinnati who bought a house up in that area, on a relatively flat terrain, and she and her husband were offered the federal flood insurance. They debated it, and finally decided to get it, and within about 2-3 months of when they moved in, there was a big rain storm or something that caused water levels to rise, and it got into their house, and flooded the first floor, made a total mess out of the place, but that flood insurance covered it and it was all restored back to the way it was originally. So for them it was a good thing.

    I guess I can understand people resenting their tax money paying for someone else's insurance claims, but if they were the ones in that position, I would like to hear what they would have to say about it then.

    Besides, all the "money" we are using in this country these days is just "funny money" created out of thin air by the Federal Reserve anyway, so it isn't like anyone's real money was being used for it.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 days, 3 hours ago
    Dear President Trump....
    When the democrats SHUT the government down, I BEG YOU to agree. And to protect the Military paychecks, making them last longer.
    Please Declare 3 things.
    1) Permanent Layoffs of as many Govt Employees as possible.
    2) Congress and the Senate SHALL NOT get back pay for the time the government is shut down, nor shall their staff get paid. And AGREE that YOU will not get paid either! (heads will pop)
    3) Declare that there will be a 90 Day UNPAID LAYOFF period after the shutdown in which ALL government employees will have to re-apply for their jobs. And if they can't be fully interviewed and vetted in that time, they lose their jobs.

    Declare this before the Dems have a chance to vote. And make it clear to everyone. They KNEW what they were asking for, and they asked for it.

    OH, and that includes ALL Federal Judges. And any Federal Judge who attempts to WORK during this time will be Arrested and Detained until the government is back to work!
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  • Posted by $ 3 days, 4 hours ago in reply to this comment.
    I guess I didn't state my position well enough. I support the Dem demand that the flood insurance funding be removed from the CR. Supporting on of their positions is not the same as supporting them. At least not to me; there is a difference.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 3 days, 4 hours ago in reply to this comment.
    I feel like the Democrats are the only ones to lose in a shutdown with the Continuing Resolution at Trump's disposal. He can just start shutting down all the waste, and let Congress force him (if they will) to reopen. He can keep everything he wants open.

    He will start shutting waste, no one will notice, and then the demon-rats will have to explain why it was important.
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  • Posted by $ 3 days, 4 hours ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with you on the shutdown. What simply got me was having to foot the bill for someone else's insurance.
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  • Posted by Madanthonywayne 3 days, 5 hours ago
    You’re completely wrong to support the Democrats on this. The flood insurance issue aside, Democrats want to add 1.5 trillion in new spending to approve the CR. Relatively speaking, the flood insurance issue is a small thing. (Although I agree the government shouldn’t be funding insurance for people’s lakefront properties.)
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  • Posted by AmericanWoman 3 days, 6 hours ago
    The Federal Government has for YEARS overcharged anyone that truly needs flood insurance so many have been affected during hurricane. I never asked to have my mortgage sold because of paying on time and it's been that way for the 50+ years I've owned homes, except for one that had a conventional loan. Someone judges what you need for some stupid reason but anyway living at 7800 altitude these fools want me to get flood insurance. You best build an ark if there ever is a need where my home sits. I ignore the notices.
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 3 days, 6 hours ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly. I will never vote Democrat. Never have, never will, but I didn't think of it in quite that way until recent years. I just looked at the candidates and said "Nope, not voting for THAT one!"
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  • Posted by rhfinle 3 days, 6 hours ago in reply to this comment.
    It sounds like you're expecting Socialists to think and operate rationally. Their philosophies are irrational, to start with. The Conservatives are more rational, but are also on their own agenda, which often (at least fiscally) coincides with Libertarian policy, but not always.
    I, for one, though, will never vote for a Democrat again, for any reason, and I think the MAGA republican platform is usually the best option.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 3 days, 6 hours ago in reply to this comment.
    👍
    "Trump is NOT compelled to shut anything he doesn't want"
    That is the key, imo, Thor.
    If the entire gov was shutdown the effect on the economy would be enormous.
    That should not be so, but thanks to the D.C. parasites exceeding their powers for a century, it is so.
    I'm for a selective shutdown and firing based on what Trump has promised being imposed on the parasites.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 3 days, 6 hours ago in reply to this comment.
    Looked at the list. Holy smokes! The taxpayer shouldn't be on the hook to pay for any of that. With you, Thor: "Fire fire fire! Shut shut shut!"
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  • Posted by $ gharkness 3 days, 7 hours ago
    They/Dems are pushing for an additional 1.4 TRILLION in healthcare expenses, if I understand correctly.

    So, you don't want to pay for someone's flood insurance (can hardly blame you), but you are okay with paying for transgender surgeries for illegal immigrants? (That is how it was presented to me, so it could be hyperbole, and likely does have a big component of hype.)
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 3 days, 7 hours ago
    I am all for a government shutdown for as long as needed. Who cares? And Trump can fire a BUNCH more federal employees if a shutdown happens, and no one can do much about it. Fire fire fire! Shut shut shut!

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics...

    Separately, this time, Trump is NOT compelled to shut anything he doesn't want, including new start programs, because of the continuing resolution.
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    Posted by $ jbrenner 4 days ago
    Your premise is that there are only two sides. Often we find ourselves on the side of neither Demoncrats or so-called republicans (lack of capitalization intentional).
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    Posted by freedomforall 4 days, 7 hours ago
    Or are Democrats just trying to get $350 billion more for the real beneficiaries of Obamacare , that is, the insurance mafia?
    https://www.galtsgulchonline.com/post...

    I favor shutting down government until ALL the parasitic political spending is cut out and made illegal forever.
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