Would you serve?

Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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-- LONG POST - please stick with me --
In a day to talk and think about politics more than most other days, when people discuss leadership, and what kind the U.S. needs, I am wondering: if, by some fickle finger of fate, you were elected to office in the House or the Senate, and the recount confirmed it, would you serve?

I have to say "I don't know."

I think what the U.S. needs is individuals who don't want to lead anybody and have to be dragged into office kicking and screaming as if to the gallows. [figuratively, of course; there still is no good reason to initiate force] What should they do once they get there? Tear it down. Start by insisting that every single bureaucrat begin by dismantling his own fief and send everyone home to do something productive, if they can.

Yes, it would be a mess. A hideous, horrible, unforgettable mess, in every way that you can imagine. People will die, and bad things will happen to good people, and some of the science fiction writers will be right.

All the people who, while able-bodied, truly can't do anything at all, will wander and maybe fall under the sway of a group of someones who will say something like Edmund, in Ringo's heroic work which begins with "There will Be Dragons". "We can feed you and rest you for three days. Then you will begin to work through a training program to see what work you may be suited for and might even like. You will learn how to fell trees, run wood through a sawmill, cook, build rudimentary buildings, handle firearms, etc, etc. If you decide that this program is not for you, keep walking. Why am I the one telling you what to do? It's my sawmill. It's his professional kitchen. It's her fabric and thread and needles. We take suggestions every day from 6 to 6:30 in the bath-house. We do not take complaints."

Or, those able bodied but incompetent people might hook up with a bunch of other people just like them, and decide that society always owed them a living before, and it still does, and if they have to take it, they will. And, "If men like Boyle think that force is all they need to rob their betters - let them see what happens when one of their betters chooses to resort to force." - Ragnar Danneskjold

Or Steve Stirling might be right - he started writing a trilogy, now about 9 books, about what happens when no chemical force more complicated than fire works any more. People organize themselves into whatever kind of society they wish [and can get to work]: the Norsemen, the SCA, a Celtic clan, tribal life on the American plains, and more - and life, with all its complications, proceeds.

Those people in Washington who decide not to dismantle their petty kingdoms will be increasingly isolated, and lonely, and....hungry. When they decide to go somewhere, like back to "their" state, probably the best thing they could do is say "no, I don't have any skills, but I'm willing to learn." I imagine if they say something like "I'm [censored]! I'm your Senator! I'm your leader, listen to me!!" they'll be lucky if they've run into a group of Amish or the like, who might just laugh.

Remember, every possible outcome that you can think of, will probably happen. I'm always thinking about what I'll do, and what I might have to do, and whether I could do it, and who I'd want at my back.

I would hope that eventually, there would be stories about the heroes who brought us all back from the brink, and then went home, because they had made sure that there were homes to go back to for as many Americans as possible.

If winning an election had THAT kind of outcome - one that reinvented the Real America, I would reluctantly serve. Not eagerly, but honestly and as ably as I could.

Otherwise? Well, the Wizard had some oral surgery this afternoon and he's taking a nap, covered in cats. I'm feeling a little sleepy myself.

Thank you for your kind attention.




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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, it's a magical event. Assume your fair godmother whacked you with her magic wand.

    Would you serve, under the conditions given?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 5 months ago
    I would, yes. Government isn't going to get any better unless we have better people in office. If the good guys stay home, then all we get is more of what we already have.

    That being said, I don't want to RUN for office. I don't need that kind of scrutiny or headache. I would serve if appointed, but there is no way I'd put my wife through the special kind of hell that politics has become.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Perhaps you have never had a sociopath in your life.
    They aren't good.people.
    They take.power from you, assault your reality with their lies and manipulation and view life as: Create loss in order to "win".
    Good people are what we need in government. Sociopaths are the LAST thing we need.
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  • Posted by $ root1657 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've often thought of this same thing (and chuckle at the thought of someone getting their notice in the mail... Damnit... I'm a Senator). The problem would be the same we have with juries... the smart people know how to get out of it, and you are left with the few who see it as an honor to serve, and the others who were too dumb to get out of it. Not enough are there to serve with honor...
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  • Posted by $ root1657 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why would you want to do that? Sociopaths would leave emotion out of the decisions. Maybe we need a few of them up there.
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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years, 5 months ago
    I'm reading through Stirling's series right now. I'm on book four, The Sunrise Lands. There's an assumption in his books that too much freedom (i.e., lack of government) will lead to chaos and war, which I disagree with. Nonetheless, I like the characters and creativity in the plot.

    I would definitely do what I could to make our country a freer place, but my service might be more like that of Grant Collins in Larken Rose's The Iron Web. Great book, in my opinion.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 10 years, 5 months ago
    Clearly I would. Whatever negative things one might learn their would be overcome by even the most minor influence one could have over legislation and people listening to simple arguments for freedom.

    Not to mention all the free stuff they get...just kidding.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you know, I just watched an interesting interview with Peter Thiel, and at the end, he was asked if in 2100-people look back to 2014, what would they say is the biggest problem our country faces. He didn't want to answer and then he said-sociopaths. and that's all he would say...great minds I guess terri!
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 5 months ago
    Why would anyone "serve". Its a job like any other and you do it because YOU get something out of it by doing a good job that others are willing to pay you for.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Putting names in the hat must be preceded by an MMPI or similar personality tests to insure that no one is a sociopath. (Then again, maybe we should implement that policy now...!)
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 5 months ago
    How would this magical event take place?
    At present it takes about $10 mill to win a senate seat plus the volunteer unpaid (unproductive) efforts of thousands of people. It also requires that the candidate leave behind his principles or the major party he "works for" will destroy the candidate by any means possible.
    Assumiing that miracle occurs, after the election victory it gets worse unless there are a majority of the senators who have the level of integrity, understanding of history, and ability to be rational that (we in the Gulch know) is needed for the job. That is mathematically impossible in the senate because only 33% of the seats are up for grabs and over 90% are won by incumbants by design. So even if, in a miracle, you win and retain your integrity through the election process, you will be faced with the impossible task of not compromising your principles with 90+ corrupt looters (senators like just re-elected Minnesota Senator Al Franken) and resisting the temptation of nearly limitless power and wealth offered by bankster looters.

    Sure, I love a challenge.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 5 months ago
    Yes. It would be an honor to possibly return the offices from a symbol of sloth, moocherist pull, and selling out to one of real honesty, service, and honor... Especially if it displaced the likes of Peloser, Fineswine, and Harry Raid... I would consider it my civic duty and obligation, rather than let some flake represent my people.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 5 months ago
    I have a plan--which I have shared before.

    If, by some chance, I could go to the House with a body of like-minded people who amounted to two-thirds of the chamber, I would proceed at once to bring measure to expel the remaining third--in the hope a similar like-minded body in the Senate would do the same in that chamber.

    After that, we would bring out the Long Knives. Through impeachment, that is.

    About the science-fiction angle: did anyone here ever read, or hear of, a science-fiction book from the late Fifties, called "The Syndic"? In a post-apocalyptic world, two vast organized "crliminal" syndicates inherit full responsibility for keeping some kind of order in the land. Until the bad ol' U.S. government tries to re-emerge.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 10 years, 5 months ago
    The majority voters of Alabama (where I live) would not call me a dinosaur due to the way I think.
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  • Posted by DavidT 10 years, 5 months ago
    I am of the opinion that public office, with few exceptions, should be filled by the same method that juries are supposed to be filled. Everyone's name goes into a big hat/bowl/database and when your name comes up you go and do that job for whatever the term of office is. There is no way that this method could do as much damage as our current system of career politics, and perhaps we could end up with a true "do nothing congress", or even better the system from the book "Hope" by Aaron Zelman and L. Neil Smith (read it if you haven't, it should be as much our playbook/wish list as "Atlas Shrugged).
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago
    I imagine that if it came to the point of dismantling, there 'd be serious world stuff happening as well. So you 'd try to be leading decisions that way while doing the mass lay -offs. Let's see, how many 3 letter agencies are there? I 'd go. Tell wizard to feel better.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We have three cats and a dog. Two of the cats are kittens. That definitely cuts down on the sleep.
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  • Posted by $ 10 years, 5 months ago
    I realized, from some comments, that I had been making a dazzlingly necessary, yet unspoken, assumption that changes everything. sorry!
    I had stipulated, in thinking about this, that your service would be in concert with 1 or 2 people from every other state, all dragged in kicking and screaming, to do the same thing.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 5 months ago
    I would not serve as a House member or senator. One would not have sufficient power to make a difference in cutting back the bureaucracy. I would consider being the president or a cabinet-level officer for a president worthy of serving under.
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