George Will On Religion and Founding Needs Ayn Rand's Theory of Rights

Posted by khalling 10 years, 5 months ago to Philosophy
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"He even says explicitly that neither successful self-government nor “a government with clear limits defined by the natural rights of the governed” requires religion. For these, writes Will, “religion is helpful and important but not quite essential.”"


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  • Posted by barwick11 10 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's news to the founders... the ones of which said we do not want a FEDERAL Government to establish a religion, but whom were perfectly fine with States having a main denomination (Christian by the way).

    Without a Judeo-Christian foundation, there is *no* basis for morality, except for "well, most people don't want it this way". Christians led the charge to end the slave trade. Christians led the charge to end slavery itself (most people wanted it). Christians stood side by side with blacks in their fight for civil rights. Christians led the charge for women suffrage. Christians led the charge to end the murder of unborn babies (and it will end, despite most people looking the other way on it).

    Oh, and, yes... Christians and Churches were responsible for preserving our system of individual liberty in the war for independence. Not that others didn't play a part, but they were the lead influence. Who is Jonas Clark? http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tab...

    Long story short, and back to my original point: Without an unchanging foundation, morality is whatever YOU make it. That is why Christians have always led these causes, we have an unchanging moral foundation in an unchanging God.
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    Posted by jtrikakis 10 years, 5 months ago
    I recommend reading the book of Samuel 1 & 2. God is very specific how he provides his grace to those whom follow his word.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 5 months ago
    Rand did propound a sound moral theory. Some might think it weak only because it acknowledges no authority to overrule a governing authority. But contrary to what she might have thought, Christianity does not sanction the kind of highway robbery most governments practice today.
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  • Posted by $ Genez 10 years, 5 months ago
    In a discussion with family recently I made a similar point. The founders wrote the Constitution as a "secular" document. This means it was based on a self-sustaining "rule of law" based on a separation of powers with checks and balances. We were not founded as a 'Christian nation' as so many Christian leaders try to say. We were founded by many people who were Christians, or who at least believed in the Christian God, but they did not found a religious nation as such. Many of the original colonists were fleeing just that, state religion and religious control. Their desire was to found a nation that allowed religious practice/freedom but did not mandate it on the individual.

    It seems to me this is the type of point that Will is trying to make. While, yes, we were founded on many so called "Judeo-Christian" principles or ideas, we were NOT founded as a religious country. Therefore the rule of law and rights, as such, can not be said to be based in religious context.
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  • Posted by flanap 10 years, 5 months ago
    I think a clear definition of religion is needed here. In this current society, words take on new meaning by the minute.
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