Self Ownership vs Individual Rights
This is a short audio where L. Peikoff suggests that self-ownership is a non-concept because it implies a relationship between you and something. However, I find many Rand quotes that contradict this position.
"Without property rights, no other rights are possible." and "If a producer does not own the result of his own effort, he does not own his life." I agree that owning oneself is not axiomatic, but it is derived from Rand based on the fact you are a rational animal. Locke recognized this in formulating natural rights. First, if we say Man, due to his unique nature, has a right to life (as Peikoff says). well, this doesn't get you very far. ok-you have a right to life. so what? But if we say, as Rand says, you own yourself, it includes the right to your life-but it includes much more: the right to the products of your mind, it explains the source of property rights, who has legitimate property rights, why you can contract, why most of our common/criminal law exists. What say you?
p.s. please, for the purposes of this post, let's not discuss religious concepts of God given rights.
"Without property rights, no other rights are possible." and "If a producer does not own the result of his own effort, he does not own his life." I agree that owning oneself is not axiomatic, but it is derived from Rand based on the fact you are a rational animal. Locke recognized this in formulating natural rights. First, if we say Man, due to his unique nature, has a right to life (as Peikoff says). well, this doesn't get you very far. ok-you have a right to life. so what? But if we say, as Rand says, you own yourself, it includes the right to your life-but it includes much more: the right to the products of your mind, it explains the source of property rights, who has legitimate property rights, why you can contract, why most of our common/criminal law exists. What say you?
p.s. please, for the purposes of this post, let's not discuss religious concepts of God given rights.
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To me, everything else follows after that. Right to life is simply the acknowledgement or claim that a violation of the physical boundary occupied by you, the individual, is unacceptable and an attempted abrogation of one's own identity. It is an attempt at theft, really - the control of something not under one's responsibility.
Objects without conscience and will do not recognize the concept of either their own boundaries or those around them, and so can not be "owners" of anything. They also can not be responsible.
What say ye?
It is simply a clear shorthand way of stating that no OTHER person (or collective) can own me.
You're saying:
You're a rational animal --> you own yourself --> right to life. Saying rational animal --> right to life seems mystical and is skipping a necessary step.
Why does un-owned --> own-able?
Why is rational animal --> right to life more mystical than ration animal --> you own yourself?
I can't agree that the right to life has anything to do with god-given and I certainly don't wish to imply anything of the sort--life in general is a part of reality (there is even a school of thought that describes life's purpose to be that of giving reality form and even directing it at a point). In my way of thinking, there's no I or self without life-my life. Wherever that life derives from, for myself it derives from nature (maybe an ambiguous term or identity) of which I'm a part, a natural development of the more general grouping of 'life'.
But regardless, once I exist or my consciousness or self awareness develops to a certain point, I'm here. (I'm not ready yet to describe thinking about existence and reality-that's another level of mumbling in me at this point)
What can I do as a part of nature, or reality? Nothing unless I live.
How then can I live? The life of me requires certain things in order to continue to exist and my ways and means to obtain and use those things is my perceptions and rational thinking.
I have my mind and it has the ability to rationally perceive, remember, and think. Because I have that mind and self awareness, I'm different from the other animal life of this reality.
Sorry, I have to pause this for awhile. I'll return to it and you later.