"Who is John Galt? A whining, entitled douchebag"

Posted by jmlesniewski 12 years, 7 months ago to Culture
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Yes, looks like it's one of those days on the internet.

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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No such thing happened. I was banned without warning or provocation, because the focus had shifted away from Rand and onto me.

    That wasn't my doing, it was the doing of the self-obsessed at that site.
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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Capitalism in America is rotten because those with the abillity to stop the rape and pillaging refuse to do so because it might interfere with their ability to get theirs. It's a disease.
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, they banned you because you claimed to a new user that you had the authority to speak for the owners and admins of the board. Or don't you have the screen grabs on that one?
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  • Posted by ZaroSath 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    i'll agree with you this far, there are those who would do harm to others because of their greed such as buying people out for their patent and then profiting 200 times what they paid for it but i think the rand point of view would be that they are moochers instead of the producers, in which case it seems we are arguing for the same thing? i'm getting out of here before i give myself a headache (too late!) but that does not mean capitalism is evil because of the rotten eggs, it may produce the perfect atmosphere for them however..
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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They banned me because I was making too much sense. I broke no rules.
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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I saying I didn't build that, my employee did, and they are rightfully entitled to the profits they generated. I receive an hourly salary no larger than my best paid employee. By taking care of my employees, they work to help increase the value of the company itself. That is more than enough payment for my efforts. I don't need to gouge them for additional profits on top of that.
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  • Posted by ZaroSath 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    at this point it sounds like you are saying that its wrong to make a choice with your own company no matter what the choice is when it is just that, yours and no one elses (also reminds me of the movie lol i havent read the book)

    i dont mean to put words into your mouth i'm just trying to come to an understanding without conflict.. that said, those actions caused by a company owner for example CAN indeed cause harm to workers like for example if the factory shuts down in a town and most of the town works there but it all comes down to whether to take away freedoms to stop things like this happening or not, i'm on the side of not (which is an entirely different topic)
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  • Posted by ZaroSath 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    i honestly dont know if i believe someone acting like yourself but that doesnt matter, it sounds like a great company philosophy but i'm abit confused, what if they are already getting paid for their work and the company already has enough for marketing and growth? are you saying it is wrong to keep that extra money when it has no other use?
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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lots of false assumptions there. I own a company that employs 140 people, and am certainly one of the top wage earners of this group. Our company reimburses every employee for the full value of their labor. We keep nothing for the company except for marketing and growth. The rest goes to those whose work created the profits.
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  • Posted by ZaroSath 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    i hate to see differences in views collide, facts are facts but its possible to view things differently even when.. facts are facts, is it not possible both views are correct at the same time? what your talking about jgissd reminds me of communism though i'm not saying it is. i was about to say its a problem with the way corporations are designed to work and was about to suggest perhaps a type of company where each individual profits the same and works the same? but each role acts differently and one can be harder and one can be easier, i was then reminded of the movie atlas shrugged part 1 about how a company tried that philosophy and ran into problems :o in the end it depends on how you look like it, one such as yourself may say that workers of such a company are getting abused or hurt or whatever you want to call it while the other side may come to the conclusion that those workers agreed to work there and agreed on that much money for that amount of work and has the freedom to make their own company and run it their own way if they so wish so let me also add the fact hopefully somewhere in the middle that one man cant be expected to run his own business and output the same amount of production as a normal business with multiple employee's would and that is why he hires people to do the extra workload needed and comes to an agreement with each of his employee's of how much money they make based on the amount of work they do and you seem to look at it as if some king of the hill sits on the top and doesnt share the loot with his employees despite the fact that he makes millions but let me ask you this, do you honestly expect him to give handouts when they are already getting paid for how much work they really put in? hey, i'm all for fair pay for the work done and employees should not be abused but how is this abusive? the bottem line is they get paid for how much they do, are you butt hurt that such people happen to make more money then you? i can understand that CEO's can look like moochers but you cant beat my argument i have just presented.
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Except that you claimed to new users that you had the authority speak for the owners and admins of the board.
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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Except I hadn't actually broken any rules.

    Not that the rule of law matters to those with greed on their mind.
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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    wrong-o buck-o. I've read nearly everything Rand wrote, as well as what most of her fans and detractors had to say about her, along with studying the long history of her gradual slide into dementia. I am speaking from a place of knowledge, not from a place of Randian fear-based fantasy that perceives anyone who fights for economic justice as being a socialist "moocher."
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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's another Randian trait btw... claiming that you have "logic" and "reason" on your side, and disavow anyone who proves otherwise be claiming their superior arguments are straw men. Looking at it from the Progressive perspective, all you have to do to defeat Conservative logic is to point out that their root logic is based in a false premise (such as declaring that people working for minimum wage are not being coerced.) As soon as you've reframed to argument back to one rooted in actual logic, the Republicans and the Randites will cry foul, because you've taken all their carefully crafted talking points away from them.
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  • Posted by Elliot 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think the more accurate analogy would be how some people can jump up and down that there is a zit on someone else's face when there actually isn't one.

    At any rate, all of the so-called holes you're bringing up about Rand and her philosophy have all been addressed and answered satisfactorily in her own non-fiction writings, which you haven't read (like you say you did). Go do your homework and then come back to the masterclass.
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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "True creators are not - and do not feel - entitled to anyone's labor other than their own."

    Gotta love how some people can look directly at a huge zit on their face, and swear up and down it's not there. what people have "earned?" I notice that you are the one making that determnination. The people whose labor you stole en route to your "earning" may have a slightly different perspective on what the relationship was all about.
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    Posted by JGISSD 12 years, 7 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Famous would be an understatement. I had 3 times as many followers as any of the Randites. That wasn't because I'm a troll, it's because I'm good at pointing out the gigantic holes in Randist thought.
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