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SEXODUS: WHY ARE YOUNG MEN GIVING UP ON WOMEN?

Posted by richrobinson 10 years, 4 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I wonder how bad things have gotten? Maybe if college aged men read Atlas Shrugged it would help.


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  • Posted by wdg3rd 10 years, 4 months ago
    Dunno about young men, but I'm thrice married, widowed and about to turn 60. Not going back into the dating game. Got one woman I still love (once upon a time she was my first wife in a polyandry [a concept that might have resolved several plot complications in Atlas Shrugged, if Ayn hadn't preferred adultery to marriage]) and I'll be watching the trilogy with her on Blu-Ray with her on Newton's birthday.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 4 months ago
    Promiscuity takes care of the chemical, physical needs of young men juiced up with testosterone. But relationships require more than hooking up. They require commitment, which in turn requires a good chunk of self-esteem. (Paraphrasing)
    "I offer to you the thing I value most, myself." Many women have a similar problem in that they think that sex is a necessary early component of starting a relation ship, but they don't bother to look beyond physicality in order to discover who and what he is. That also means a need for feminine self esteem. (paraphrasing again) "If you think of yourself as a heroine you will seek out a hero."
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  • Posted by CaptianCapitalist 10 years, 4 months ago
    I watched this video twice because I just could not grasp my mind around men not wanting to couple up with a women and this whole "sexodus" thing . I see and understand it but I don't see how a guy or women do not migrate toward each other. In fact I didn't even know that there was such a thing going on. it boggles my mind to see what the world has become.

    I do see how people not just men get isolated in gaming and other such virtual reality but that is no excuse to not to get involved with the opposite sex and to have relationships with them. if it really is hard to find real men it is also true that it is hard to find real women, but to find a quality person you do need to search for one.

    To me it seems like just another label to put on men/women to not get together because they have studies that show certain things. just for example if new studies came out stating that arsenic is actually healthy for you and it should be incorporated in your diet as a vitamins people would actually do it because of there incompetence to think and to follow the crowd because that is "safe". Now of course this study is not true but people would believe it entirely at a glance.

    AR said that like minded people attract and that who you sleep with determines how you value of yourself.

    I really think that the cause of this is the guys listening and believing to too much BS and are not socializing enough.

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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Any post that includeS EXplicit phraseology relevant to SEX has the promiSE to eXploit this phenomenon to thoSE eXamining any post that makeS EXtensive use of this play on words...

    (should put me over the top with pointS... EXcellent strategy, no?
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The women I had successful affairs with, in the years before I got married, all told me: "You're bad, but that's part of your charm."

    The woman I married regarded me as a hero and leader.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That would be suicide so long as one woman's unsupported word can destroy my career.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So do I, but I infer that most of those men are really just buying their sex a la carte these days. Which makes good sense.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sex is and should be mostly recreational.

    I see the "sexodus" as a result of two major problems. One is the feminist movement, which achieved real equality in about 1970 but didn't declare victory and disband. Instead they're trying to get women to act as a cartel, and idiotic, prudish new laws are a way to try to enforce that cartel on everybody. The solution to that is to legalize sex work, so that the cartel members will be faced with lots of open, cut-rate competition.

    The second is the idiocy of the major religions on the topic of sex. All the major religions still hold to the nonsensical ethic that says sex should not take place outside of a lifetime marriage. That ethic made sense in a time when the average life expectancy was 40 and reliable birth control didn't exist, but now it is idiocy.

    If the churches would simply admit that the philosophy each one is selling is actually nothing more than the opinion of a group of elders, then they could start making sensible amendments to their rules until they made sense in the modern world.

    A reasonable sexual code would simply say: (1) no non-consensual sex (but we get to make the same non-verbal agreements in getting there that we always have); (2) there's no right to collect child support unless the other party agreed to support a child (since that's usually not the purpose of sex); (3) it's wrong to treat other people badly for doing sexual things that don't involve you: they're none of your business; and (4) it's wrong to have children if you won't or can't support and raise them properly.

    But since the churches have published their rules as "commandments" they don't dare be seen as changing them, and as a result, the sensible majority dump the churches' rules about sex and don't replace them with anything. And thus we get the present society where 30% of all births are to "single mothers", mostly on the dole, and those kids and their descendants will be useless (and likely criminals) for many generations to come.

    We need a church (or something that can take its place) that teaches the sensible rules above, before we are overrun by these taxpayer funded Visigoths.
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  • Posted by mdk2608 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That was a good book. Piekoff has an updated new version of that book I forgot the new title but it should be on the Ayn Rand Institute website..
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I hate to agree with you, Tem, but I have to on this! I don't think it's the feminists as much as the guys not having the (pardon the pun) "bullocks" to be themselves, and instead feeling they have to become whatever their significant other demands them to be. They're so afraid if they be men, and behave as themselves, and whoever they're going out with doesn't like it, they'll be chased away, or worse, never get another girl as long as they live (patently wrong, but who knows what goes on in a guys mind).

    If they were honestly themselves, and true to that self, they would never have to worry about losing that one woman, because she'll be attracted to him for what and who he REALLY is, not the "lounge-lizard actor" he's trying to be.

    Want an inside secret? I'd sooner go out with an older semi-beer-bellied guy in a polo shirt and who is genuinely himself than someone who puts on this big act trying to be someone he's not (and yes, we can see right thru those kind)... Want to meet that one special person? It's easier than you think - just be YOU!
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If it weren't for Women's Lib, I wouldn't have had the opportunities in life I did... saying that, it's the ones lacking self confidence and self-worth, those, ego driven, self-unassured bullies (both make and female) that to me are disgusting, and not worth my time or effort. A guy (or woman) who is confident, self assured, stable, solid, and knows their own worth is more likely to become a friend (or lover); fail those basics, and you haven't a chance in hell. And if someone feels the need to use me as their ego prop (has happened, sadly) they will find themselves on the side of the road wondering what hit them. Likewise with those who think that I have to meet their expectations of what to say, wear, think, and feel - got no use for people like that, and try to spread that "gospel" to others.. My momma taught me way better than that!!!


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  • Posted by $ jlc 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Kmurmph! OK - got me there.

    But really, it is probably only a short time until we get to the point where they can take a somatic cell and use it instead. (The problem seems to be how to turn certain genes off an on, which Miosis apparently does in ova and sperm. This is why cloning animals is difficult.) There has also been some doubt cast on the 'only a certain number of ova' argument. (I can try to find my source on that, if you are interested.)

    Jan
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unless she really can't get pregnant... One of those tings you should really know about her (AND yourself) pretty early on! (Then again, had our grandparents based everything on making sure they didn't get pregnant, we wouldn't be here!)

    I like these, tho... the money thing is huge - if you and your other half don't share the same philosophy on finances (or, worse, one of you grows more than the other) you're in for a rocky time of it. If your other half is dumber (or smarter - hard self assessment to make) than you, it will make for a difficult relationship as you'll be on other levels. And the goal hopefully is making something out of the union of both of you, not one turning the other into what the other wants.

    To this I add - if I may - ALWAYS remember your self worth, your integrity, and your identity, and if a potential other half diminishes any one of these 3, then you're not looking at the right other half.

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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is cool... tho still, mid-50's nowdays isn't all that old - except when it's your ovaries... unlike their male counterparts, they have a limit on just how many eggs they can make - if you go beyond the "do not use after" date, you are unlikely to get more.

    Then there's the other end of the spectrum - Lot of women nowadays (I went thru this, and a number of friends have as well) end up with Ovarian cysts - due either to environmental issues, the drugs they took when young, or a (seemingly increasing) genetic disposition to get these things in their early 30's - that can cut plans of mommyhood short. Kinda shoots the whole "I want to get my Doctorate and my executive promotion in before I hit the mommy track" thing to hell. (at least I had mine early...)

    Just goes to show you - you put your eggs in one basket, you may not have any in there when it's time to make the omlette!
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  • Posted by $ blarman 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, no. They're having sex more than any other generation in history. But it is empty because it focuses only on the temporary pleasure of the act and ignores the long-term effects like relationships and family. Girls dress up like sex objects because popular culture tells them that is the only way to get attention. Boys are told that you aren't a real man unless you sleep around, and getting tied down in a long-term relationship cramps one's style. And all contrary to the psychological studies that show that married couples have better quality of life (and more frequent sex) than singles!

    But no one cares about the long-term any more. It's the YOLO culture and mindset of spend now because tomorrow's gone. There is no investment, and consequently no return. It's a literally bankrupt mentality.
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